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darthcani
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Posted Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:41am
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Hi everyone, my name is Diego from Argentina i want to some recommendation about my first purchase, in my country i don't have too many option in budget express machines, i have three candidates

Krups XP5240
Click Here (www.krups.com.ar)


Philips Saeco Via Veneto Combi Deluxe
http://www.philips.com.ar/c/saeco-espresso/ri9347_01/prd/

Philips Saeco Poema Class
Click Here (www.philips.com.ar)

Can you help me with this machines ? pro and contras ? thanks in advance best regards for all !!
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Posted Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:21pm
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Not wild about any of them but I would probably get the Poema at the bottom if that is my only choice.  The combo machine will never have as good a grinder.  You need a good grinder.  And if you want to get better you will probably need to depressurize the basket on the saeco.  I would leave it pressurized till you get a good grinder.

 
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Posted Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:28pm
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Coffeenoobie Said:

Not wild about any of them but I would probably get the Poema at the bottom if that is my only choice.  The combo machine will never have as good a grinder.  You need a good grinder.  And if you want to get better you will probably need to depressurize the basket on the saeco.  I would leave it pressurized till you get a good grinder.

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So for you  the best choice of this machine is Saeco Poema, 1 Poema, anyone more?
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Posted Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:32pm
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Also read this by one of our members it will help you a lot.
http://www.frcndigital.com/coffee/HowToEspresso.html

Is there any other choices like used machines so you might get a nicer machines in your budget?

 
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Posted Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:38pm
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Coffeenoobie Said:

Also read this by one of our members it will help you a lot.
http://www.frcndigital.com/coffee/HowToEspresso.html

Is there any other choices like used machines so you might get a nicer machines in your budget?

Posted November 13, 2012 link

Thanks is extensive guide, later i must read it, sadly in my country there inst much offer in espresso budget home machine =(  in order of 300 u$ which is the best option ?
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Posted Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:41pm
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"How to Buy an Espresso Machine"
"First machine - 300-400$"
"For $200-$300 price range is the Gaggia Espresso Pure the best choice?"
"Decent Espresso Machines for $300"

 
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Posted Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:46pm
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My machine is a used low volume commercial machine that I got for under $500.  I can get a very similar machine to that saeco for about 100 used or 200 refurbished. I was hoping you could find a nicer used machine but I live somewhere that lots of people buy espresso machines and don't like/use them or coffee shops/carts/stands go out of business.  I know you are probably not so lucky.  But you could still find a treasure in someone's barn or attic if you are lucky.

 
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Posted Tue Nov 13, 2012, 1:49pm
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Hola, Diego. The Poemia is going to give you the closest experience to a real cafe espresso out of the three, as it's a pump semiautomatic. I have owned several of these Saeco machines and they are good for beginners, provided you use fresh coffee and decent grinder. At your budget, you might want to start with a hand grinder, like the Hario Skerton.
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Posted Tue Nov 13, 2012, 2:33pm
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Markarian Said:

Hola, Diego. The Poemia is going to give you the closest experience to a real cafe espresso out of the three, as it's a pump semiautomatic. I have owned several of these Saeco machines and they are good for beginners, provided you use fresh coffee and decent grinder. At your budget, you might want to start with a hand grinder, like the Hario Skerton.

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Hi thanks for your post, when you say Saeco you refer to the second i post ? " via veneto combi deluxe " ? because the first  " poemia" don't have a grinder, between Philips Poemia and Saeco veneto which is best balanced choice ?
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Posted Tue Nov 13, 2012, 4:45pm
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if you read the how to buy an espresso machine article I linked you, you would understand the difference between the 2 and why we like the simpler one over the one with the built in grinder.

 
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