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BrookNYC
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Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:30am
Subject: Re: Need help in deciding between the Gaggia classic and the Saeco Via Venezia
 

qualin Said:

What I find works well are either Mason Jars or a clip-top jar..

The key trick to using these kinds of jars is that you want to fill them up as much as possible. You want to displace as much air as you can inside of them.
When the beans outgas, they'll replace the air inside with carbon dioxide and then as soon as the jar very lightly pressurizes, the outgassing process will stop.

The clip top jar or mason jar should be big enough to hold about one weeks worth of beans.

What I usually do is keep about a weeks worth of beans in the hopper of my grinder and use that up throughout the week.. I usually keep one or two of these clip-top jars
in the freezer and when the grinder is empty, I just empty the another one of these jars into the grinder.

That way, when I wake up in the morning, I just grab the portafilter, put it under the grinder and that's it. I grind coffee as I need it, I never store grinds.

When I buy beans fresh from the market, the first thing I do is rip open the bag and fill a clip-top jar and put it in the freezer, or into the hopper of the grinder, depending
on wether or not I'm buying a Kilogram or a pound of beans.

Posted November 24, 2012 link


Thanks I will buy some mason jars to freeze the beans.
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Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:41am
Subject: Re: Need help in deciding between the Gaggia classic and the Saeco Via Venezia
 

Mason jars, vacuum bags or ziplock.  There are many articles on freezing.  It works well enough that I but Redbird is 5# lots at a great price.  I end up with about 2 months of freezing at the end.  Redbird Espresso and Redbird Blue Jaguar are great, see the forum about Redbird.

 
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Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:17pm
Subject: Re: Need help in deciding between the Gaggia classic and the Saeco Via Venezia
 

I thought I should just mention.. It is my understanding that the lifespan of frozen beans is about 2 months from the time they are frozen. Any longer than that and you risk them going stale.
However, I have heard of some people getting up to 4 months freezing time out of some beans before with only a minimal degradation in taste.

 
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Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:59pm
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I have had some 6 months old with very little aging.  I think anything under a year in a freezer that doesn't defrost itself is probably ok.

 
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Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 2:03pm
Subject: Re: Need help in deciding between the Gaggia classic and the Saeco Via Venezia
 

Coffeenoobie Said:

I have had some 6 months old with very little aging.  I think anything under a year in a freezer that doesn't defrost itself is probably ok.

Posted November 24, 2012 link

Agreed.  The difference is in the type of freezer.  If you have one of those frost-free freezers or refrigerator-freezers, like most people do, then yes, you're talking about 4-6 months in my experience.  That said, people who have a "deep freeze," like a chest freezer (top-opening), have reported a year or even longer with little to no fall-off in quality.

I rarely have beans in my freezer for more than a month, but for those who roast their own beans, I'd think a chest freezer is essential.

 
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Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 2:49pm
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Well, mine looks like a fridge because it stands up.  But I defrost it myself.  Right now it has my homegrown turkeys, chickens and redbird.....

 
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Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 2:54pm
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So is it a foul freezer, or fowl freezer :)

 
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Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 5:50pm
Subject: Re: Need help in deciding between the Gaggia classic and the Saeco Via Venezia
 

JasonBrandtLewis Said:

......., but for those who roast their own beans, I'd think a chest freezer is essential.

Posted November 24, 2012 link

??
I roast my own and almost never freeze them.  Only when going on vacation and want some already rested upon return.  I roast about once a week and target usage between days 3-10 post roast. Mostly works out perfectly. If I err, it's on the side of too fresh.

I don't have much experience with freezing beans, and only use a kitchen type frost-free freezer, but have always preferred the fresh roast to batches frozen for a few weeks in mason jars.  Certainly lower temperature extends storage time, but fresh roast is still best in my experience.  

I realize this is a contrary opinion, but my personal experience.

....sorry for the thread drift.
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Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:07pm
Subject: Re: Need help in deciding between the Gaggia classic and the Saeco Via Venezia
 

Maybe freezing bulk greens???

D4F Said:

So is it a foul freezer, or fowl freezer :)

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HAHAHAHHAAHHAAHA

 
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