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Natamo
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Posted Thu Nov 22, 2012, 7:29am
Subject: Want an espresso machine
 

Hello everyone,

I am interested in buying my first espresso machine for my apartment. I use the one at my job all the time. Its a big commercial machine. Very old though and doesn't work right all the time. But I do know what good espresso tastes like. I know how to grind beans, tamp, and use the machine. Beyond that I don't really know much about what makes a good machine or how to choose one. I know I want a semi-automatic. Also would like the option of using fresh ground or pods. I just want something that will be reliable and make a pretty good shot. My budget is about $500. Not much for a good machine I know. But any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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BrookNYC
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Posted Thu Nov 22, 2012, 8:23am
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I will pass on the advice that was given to me just yesterday on a similar post. You will need a grinder and most agreed that the Baratza Preciso is a good starter blender. Check my post some Senior members added several good links filled with information to help guide me along the path towards purchasing my first home espresso machine. Good luck. I am sure the more experienced will soon reply to this thread.
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NobbyR
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Location: Germany
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Espresso: Poccino Opus One, Ariete
Grinder: Eureka Mignon Istantaneo
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Drip: Melitta Linea Unica de Luxe
Roaster: N/A
Posted Thu Nov 22, 2012, 9:20am
Subject: Re: Want an espresso machine
 

Welcome to CoffeeGeek!

It's hard to give you good advise without further information:

  • What kind of coffee drinks do you prefer? Espresso or espresso based milk drinks like cappuccino or latte?
  • How many cups per session and per day will you probably be making?
  • Does your budget of $500 include the grinder and accessories (like a tamper etc.)?

 
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Natamo
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Posted Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:25am
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Hi, thank you!

I like just espresso. Usually doubles. 1-2 cups per session. 2-3 times per day. Probably will be more on the 2 times per day side.  $500 Budget is for machine only. I will probably invest in grinder later on. That's why I'd like one that is pod capable. I can always get fresh ground from work or can buy it fresh ground from a local store. I keep reading review after review but always wind up more confused. That's why I signed up here.
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jwoodyu
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Posted Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:31am
Subject: Re: Want an espresso machine
 

Honestly shop for a used Oscar or get a mypressi twist and save your money until your budget is about three times that amount.

 
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Buckley
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Posted Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:34am
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Dear Natamo,

Take Mark Prince's advice seriously.  It sounds as if you will be sentencing yourself to months of lousy coffee while you save up for a grinder.  From what I have read in these forums, almost everyone who replies to your post will think that their own solution is the best.  I am no exception.  Since you do not want to steam milk, consider buying a Gaggia MDF grinder for about $200 and a Mypressi handheld espresso machine for $140-160.  There is hardly any learning curve and the unit is very user tolerant.  I can count the number of undrinkable shots that I have made with it over the past year on one hand.  If you think the Mypressi is no better than a toy or a moka pot, think again.  My unit can clearly show the difference in grind quality between the Gaggia MDF and my recent $1400 Compak K-10.  Read my review of it here: Click Here (coffeegeek.com)  Remember, quality of the brew comes first and foremost from the bean, then from the roast, next from the grind and finally from the infusion.  Each step is an opportunity to maintain or conceal quality.  Most of us have control only over the last two steps and a poorly ground roast going into a capable machine is the mistake most of us make.  

Happy cupping,

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Coffeenoobie
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Posted Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:37am
Subject: Re: Want an espresso machine
 

Since you are in the coffee biz I will skip my lecture about the grinder. You know how important the grinder is and choose to ignore it at the peril of your taste buds.

Since you are in the coffee biz you can often find used commercial gear going super cheap at a closed shop.  If you have the room because of the large footprint a used Mazzer Super Jolly grinder is a good buy if under $400 and mentally add $50-60 to the price to replace the burrs.  I found a used Oscar for under $500.  It is a light duty commercial machine that the coffee shop used for catering and they claim to only have had 2 events in 2 years so sold it to me.  I had to replace the pump, a safety valve and clean the 3 way but really I got a great machine now for very little out of pocket cost and some elbow grease.  The Oscar should work a bit closer to the machine you have at work compared to most home machines.  (since most coffee shops are HX machines.)  He can do pods with an attachment.  In fact, I think there is a pod Oscar for sale in the buy sell trade part of this board he got it by mistake so I believe it is priced to sell. In that case you would have to buy the normal head later. Both are for sale at espressoparts.com and chriscoffee.com and probably other places.


"How to Buy an Espresso Machine"  (very important read)

"First machine - 300-400$"
"For $200-$300 price range is the Gaggia Espresso Pure the best choice?"
"Decent Espresso Machines for $300"
"New to Coffee"

Grinders:
Hario-MSS-1B-Mini-Coffee-Grinder - Cheapest but hand powered
OE Lido hand powered
OE Pharos hand powered
Baratza Preciso
Baratza Vario
Baratza Vario W (my favorite)
Used Commercial grinders

 
Coffeenoobie

Buying advice: GRINDER GRINDER GRINDER. Don't cheap out on the grinder.

My coffee treasure map...
Click Here (maps.google.com)

Oscar trick out: http://s156.photobucket.com/user/GandBteam/story/14231
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emradguy
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Grinder: M Major, Macap M4 x2, VDD...
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Roaster: H-B "List of Favorites"
Posted Thu Nov 22, 2012, 3:11pm
Subject: Re: Want an espresso machine
 

Natamo Said:

... I can always get fresh ground from work or can buy it fresh ground from a local store...

Posted November 22, 2012 link

Not really, after about 15 minutes from grinding coffee, it goes stale. This is especially important in making espresso

EDITED for additional content as follows:

Since you prefer straight espresso, you won't be masking any off flavors with milk.  Maybe you use a ton of sweetener?  You really should strongly consider getting a decent grinder, as you will definitely notice a huge difference in the cup.

My comments below are in bold:

Coffeenoobie Said:

Grinders:
Hario-MSS-1B-Mini-Coffee-Grinder - Cheapest but hand powered
OE Lito hand powered - OE LIDO...I own one.  It takes me about a 30 seconds to grind 20g.  This grinder is just under $200 w shipping calculated in.  It has been reviewed as comparable to Mazzer Mini in grind quality (when used for espresso)
OE Pharos hand powered - used to be on my wish list for a small footprint commercial quality grinder, but has been replaced by the HG one, which is out of your price range at about $850
Baratza Preciso probably the least expensive decent motor-driven grinder on the market
Baratza Vario this one and the "W" are the top of the line from Baratza
Baratza Vario W (my favorite)
Used Commercial grinders

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Always remember the most important thing is what ends up in your cup!
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NobbyR
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Roaster: N/A
Posted Fri Nov 23, 2012, 8:26am
Subject: Re: Want an espresso machine
 

As long as you only drink straight espresso, and maybe make an occasional cappuccino or latte for guests, you'll do fine with a SBDU machine. For some portafilter espresso machines like the Rancilio Silvia or the Gaggia Classic special adaptors are available in order to be able to use ESE pods. Pods being pre-fround coffee are generally frowned upon on this forum of coffee gourmets, but it's up to you to decide whether you want them or not. For the best espresso quality possible you'll need a good grinder.

 
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Natamo
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Posted Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:35am
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Thank you to everyone for your answers. I appreciate all the time spent. Just to be clear, I'm not in the coffee biz. We just have a big machine where I work. I do drink a lot of coffee every day. I love coffee and espresso both. But I definately cannot afford a really nice espresso machine/grinder set up nor do I have the room. I understand you need a really good grinder to make great shots. It's just not feasible for me right now. I was looking at the Gaggia lines, the delonghi, and at the high end a rancilio. I would like a decent machine that will last awhile and make a decent shot. But I am not so serious about it that I want to spend more than a thousand dollars right now. But again thanks for everyone's time and answers.
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