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SStones
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Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 7:42pm
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

You said you have a Gaggia Baby.  This is an SBDU machine, and -- as with any Single Boiler/Dual Use machine -- you need to switch the thermostat between pulling a shot and steaming milk.  Regardless of which direction you go -- 1) shot first then steam; or 2) steam first, then pull shot -- there is a LOT OF WAITING involved:

1) Shot first: a) turn machine on; b) WAIT for machine to become thermally stable at the BREW setting; c) pull shot; d) flip switch to steam setting; e) WAIT for the machine to heat up properly to steam temp; f) steam milk.

2) Milk first: a) turn machine on; b) WAIT for machine to become thermally stable at the STEAM setting; c) steam milk; d) flip switch to brew setting; e) WAIT for the machine to cool down properly to brew temp; f) pull shot.

So, is your machine broken, or are you not patient enough?  Serious question.  It can be difficult to wait long enough in between steps . . .

Cheers,
Jason

Posted November 24, 2012 link

On the steam-first, route. You can bring your boiler down to brew temp after steaming the milk.
Release the steam switch (If it isn't self-releasing). Set the milk aside and place a spare cup under the steamwand. Re open the steam valve and run the pump (Hot water switch) until the steam coming out is replaced by liquid.  Once the water in the boiler is liquid, close the steam-tap and you need only wait about 15 seconds for the boiler to be stable at brewing temp.
Discard your spare cup of discard water. Brew your espresso into your already frothed milk.  Then give the cappuccino to me, I want one.
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Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 8:36pm
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emradguy Said:

Hey Wayne,

Those of us who saw your previous tag about Obama know what you mean there, but for any one else...well, it sort of looks like you had a bad relationship...lmao

Oh...and I finally posted a photo of my setup in the shrines forum!

Posted November 24, 2012 link

UH, ........ I suppose it could look that way, LOL!
OK, I will address it.

OH, BTW, saw your pic, nice!

 
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Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 9:00pm
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Better? LOL!

 
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Posted Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:04pm
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What does this have to do with espresso!!!!!??????

 
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Posted Sun Nov 25, 2012, 8:22am
Subject: Re: Shopping for a new machine
 

SStones Said:

On the steam-first, route. You can bring your boiler down to brew temp after steaming the milk.
Release the steam switch (If it isn't self-releasing). Set the milk aside and place a spare cup under the steamwand. Re open the steam valve and run the pump (Hot water switch) until the steam coming out is replaced by liquid.  Once the water in the boiler is liquid, close the steam-tap and you need only wait about 15 seconds for the boiler to be stable at brewing temp.
Discard your spare cup of discard water. Brew your espresso into your already frothed milk.  Then give the cappuccino to me, I want one.

Posted November 24, 2012 link

For milk featured drinks, (when I had a SBDU machine) I preferred the brew first method.  In milk featured drinks I'd prefer to have my espresso sitting around while my machine gets ready for milk, than have my milk sitting around while my machine gets ready for espresso...just my preference


calblacksmith Said:

Better? LOL!

Posted November 24, 2012 link

yes

Coffeenoobie Said:

What does this have to do with espresso!!!!!??????

Posted November 24, 2012 link

nothing!!!!!??????

 
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Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Mon Nov 26, 2012, 7:45am
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Coffeenoobie Said:

What does this have to do with espresso!!!!!??????

Posted November 24, 2012 link

EEEEEXXXXXXXXXCCCCCCCCCCUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEE ME!, it is called THREAD DRIFT! On a topical board, GET USED TO IT!
OK, that was 100 % in fun, not intended to offend anyone in any way!

 
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Posted Mon Nov 26, 2012, 1:30pm
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Wayne, you forget the "Well . . . " part of the quote. C'est la vie.  And do you remember, "And now, here's a joke for all you psychics in the audience."

 
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Mon Nov 26, 2012, 2:15pm
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Uh, you are correct.


a belated "Weeeelllllllllllll"

As far as that joke goes, it never gets old!

 
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Posted Mon Nov 26, 2012, 2:30pm
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calblacksmith Said:

As far as that joke goes, it never gets old!

Posted November 26, 2012 link

The joke may not age but it seems the fans do. I swear my college age son asked me if i have ever heard of some guy named "Steve Martin" while we were discussing banjo pickers and Bela Fleck particularly. I wanted to pop the runt like a zit, ever hear of Steve Martin.

 
Yes i have a reason for leaving SCG off my list, yes it is my opinion, yes it is subjective as opinions are by definition, no don't start a flame war because you disagree.
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Posted Mon Nov 26, 2012, 4:38pm
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Do you guys realize for every off topic post on my help thread I get an email?  So I come see what has been posted only to read your off topic conversation.
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