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JasonBrandtLewis
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Posted Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:22pm
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A Miele "system" is a super-auto.  With one push of a button it will grind, fill the basket, and pull the shot.  Depending upon the specific machine, it may even steam the milk for you.

EVERY super-auto will let you pour in whole beans (what's the point of having a grinder built into the machine if you don't use whole beans?).  Name one that doesn't.

Super-autos -- which I try never to recommend -- may the perfect solution in your case.  They grind, they tamp, they pull a shot, and depending upon the model, they even steam milk.  They also break down a lot, are a real PITA to keep clean, and are never the equal in the cup of a semi-automatic or a volumetric (aka full-auto) machine.  On the other hand, the reality of making espresso from fresh beans may be a problem:  I don't know what sort of "traffic" you expect, but freshness -- even with a super-automatic -- could be a real concern (see Babbie's Rule of Fifteens), unless you will be using the machine "the rest of the time," so to speak . . . .

Since you say

Kooler Said:

I will be making the drinks just like I make the post workout smoothies.  I really prefer not to get a machine that uses the capsules. I would like to be able to put in whole beans and have the machine grind the beans and make the drinks with my assist.

Posted December 9, 2012 link

why aren't you interested in a semi- or full-auto and separate grinder?  MUCH better results in the cup.

Cheers,
Jason

 
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Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto 3
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Posted Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:31pm
Subject: Re: Need some Suggestions on a Home/Small Business Countertop Coffee System
 

I'm seeing some conflicting things here.. You say that are not looking for a machine which "Does it all", but then you keep talking about "Will allow me to pour in whole beans".
Then you keep making references to a super-automatic machine. (The Miele)

If you want a machine which one puts beans in, a button is pushed and coffee comes out, then you will want a super-automatic machine.

If you don't mind grinding coffee, tamping and then pulling a shot, then either a semi-automatic or automatic (Not to be confused with Super-Automatic) machine will suit your needs.

Realistically, for your needs, any NSF-Rated Semi-Automatic Heat Exchanging machine will do the trick quite nicely. However, one must also invest in a separate grinder to work with the machine.  

To use an example, a Nuova Simonelli Oscar coupled with a grinder like a Mazzer Mini Electronic would meet your budget, make great coffee, be easy to clean and maintain and would be durable and reliable.

Consider looking at one of these first. Both the grinder and the machine I suggested above will be considerably more reliable than a Super-Automatic.

Good luck!

 
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Kooler
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Posted Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:52pm
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Yea, I am a mess. I just do not know the lingo. I tried to explain what I am looking for, and I have gotten some good info. so I will sign off getting notices for now.
Thanks all for your help.
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JasonBrandtLewis
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JasonBrandtLewis
Joined: 9 Dec 2005
Posts: 6,398
Location: Berkeley, CA
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
Vac Pot: Yama 5-cup
Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Mon Dec 10, 2012, 8:42am
Subject: Re: Need some Suggestions on a Home/Small Business Countertop Coffee System
 

One does need to know how to walk before trying to run a marathon . . . and you don't shoot your elementary school teacher for trying to teach you the alphabet before you write the Great American Novel . . . everyone here is trying to help you, so -- if I were you -- I'd stick around and take a look at the following articles/posts.  But, it's up to you.  If you want to take your marbles and go home, well certainly none of us can stop you.  Good luck with whatever you decide.

Standard Questions
Tyes of Espresso Machines
The Four M's + Babbie's Rule of 15's
How to Buy an Espresso Machine
The Home Barista's Guide to Espresso

 
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