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Posted Sun Dec 9, 2012, 5:10pm
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

OK, yes -- it's $3,095, but it's on sale from $3,595 -- look at the Cimbali Junior Casa DT1.

Posted December 9, 2012 link

Dear me. If ever a machine deserved a cosmetic make-over it has to be that one. I know visual appearance is a very personal thing...and undoubtedly it is a very competent machine....but surely only its mother could love it.
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Posted Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:30pm
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eelpout Said:

I'm looking to get a new machine and was settling on either an ECM Technika IV Profi or a Vibiemme DD super v3 with a PID. Now though, my wife has made it pretty clear that she'd like one with volumetric dosing. Dammit, we've had that super auto Jura for too long! :)

Posted December 9, 2012 link

You could get the ECM Elektronika Profi WA instead of the Technika IV Profi. It offers all the features your looking for.

 
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Posted Mon Dec 10, 2012, 9:35am
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NobbyR Said:

You could get the ECM Elektronika Profi WA instead of the Technika IV Profi. It offers all the features your looking for.

Posted December 9, 2012 link

Yep, but finding someone who imports it is another matter. Jim at 1st Line also told me the ECM units he gets for the US market are not necessarily the same as in other countries. For example, there appears to be a drip tray drain difference with the Technika. And he doesn't import the Elektronika currently anyway.

He thinks I should consider the Fiorenzato Briccoletta Electronic, which I will, but I'm curious if there is any pre-infusion possible on it. That actually goes for a lot of these automatics.
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Posted Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:10am
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The F B E has a group based on the E61 so yes there is pre infusion just like on every other E61 machine.

I have an ECM single group automatic plumb in and like Jason, I would only go back to either pour over or manual dosing, kicking and screaming leaving claw marks in the concrete.

The referenced machine seems to check all your boxes and then some and at a very good price. What exactly is it you do not like about it?

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Pic from 1st Line.

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Posted Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:44am
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calblacksmith Said:

The referenced machine seems to check all your boxes and then some and at a very good price. What exactly is it you do not like about it?

Click Here (www.1st-line.com)

Pic from 1st Line.

Posted December 10, 2012 link

The "Bric" does tick all the boxes. But it may take some convincing of the significant other to accept the corrugated, farm silo styling. And if I'm honest, me as well. ;)

It sucks juice too, so I'll have to make sure it's relatively isolated on the circuit.

And yeah, at its price, it is a steal.
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Posted Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:40pm
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eelpout Said:

The "Bric" does tick all the boxes. But it may take some convincing of the significant other to accept the corrugated, farm silo styling. And if I'm honest, me as well.

Posted December 10, 2012 link

That is one freakin' ugly machine.

Admittedly, I never owned a volumetric-dosing machine, and if possible I never will. Adding more electronics just to avoid the "need' to turn a switch to "off' after turning it on is a bit much for me. There are already enough expensive parts in an espresso machine to add more for that miniscule convenience. I also think that, for a person use to a push-button, mega-convenient world, that having a machine you could walk away from while it is in operation and pumping water is not necessarily a good idea. And to be a bit judgmental (but not rude), if turning a switch off is too complicated, do you really think the spouse will get into all the grind, dose, tamp, etcetera'ing involved in making espresso?

just some things to consider before opening the Sheckle holder.

 
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Posted Mon Dec 10, 2012, 1:22pm
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frcn Said:

That is one freakin' ugly machine.

Admittedly, I never owned a volumetric-dosing machine, and if possible I never will. Adding more electronics just to avoid the "need' to turn a switch to "off' after turning it on is a bit much for me. There are already enough expensive parts in an espresso machine to add more for that miniscule convenience. I also think that, for a person use to a push-button, mega-convenient world, that having a machine you could walk away from while it is in operation and pumping water is not necessarily a good idea. And to be a bit judgmental (but not rude), if turning a switch off is too complicated, do you really think the spouse will get into all the grind, dose, tamp, etcetera'ing involved in making espresso?

just some things to consider before opening the Sheckle holder.

Posted December 10, 2012 link

Let's put it this way, it's easier to get off the Jura if there is at least one automated step as part of the process. She had no problem grinding and tamping way back when we had a Krups all in one.

For what it's worth, she thinks the La Spaziale Dream/Vivaldi is *much* uglier than the Fiorenzato. ;)

Her favorite so far is the La Nuova Era Altea 1 group.

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Posted Mon Dec 10, 2012, 1:42pm
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eelpout Said:

Her favorite so far is the La Nuova Era Altea 1 group.

Posted December 10, 2012 link

I do not know that machine, but I would rather see the electronics and gauge away from where water might spill.

 
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Posted Mon Dec 10, 2012, 3:01pm
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frcn Said:

Admittedly, I never owned a volumetric-dosing machine, and if possible I never will. Adding more electronics just to avoid the "need' to turn a switch to "off' after turning it on is a bit much for me. There are already enough expensive parts in an espresso machine to add more for that miniscule convenience. I also think that, for a person use to a push-button, mega-convenient world, that having a machine you could walk away from while it is in operation and pumping water is not necessarily a good idea. And to be a bit judgmental (but not rude), if turning a switch off is too complicated, do you really think the spouse will get into all the grind, dose, tamp, etcetera'ing involved in making espresso?

just some things to consider before opening the Sheckle holder.

Posted December 10, 2012 link

It isn't about not being able to turn the switch off or being too lazy, not at all. If you prefer not to have a machine like that GREAT! Not only are other machines without volumetric dosing made, they cost less  too!!!

I know EXACTLY  how much water has flowed in my shots, I don't need measuring cups or shot glasses or scales to measure the dosed volume. I have a VERY easy time adjusting the grinder as there is ONLY ONE variable to adjust (unless I choose to dose less or more water myself as every one of these machines is easy to override the electronics on.)

(OH, BTW, horror of horrors, I have an electronically dosed grinder too, again it is easy to adjust weight without the need for .... single dosing, weighing beans, worrying about popcorning etc)

In the 4 years I have had my machine, I have had NO issues with any of the electronics due to heat or moisture issues, no problems at all of any kind, AND my machine was purchased used, manufactured in 2003. No problems in 9 years, I don't know, that sounds like a pretty good track record to me, but as always YMMV!

Buy what you want, enjoy life but if someone finds joy in something else, it isn't worse, just different.
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Posted Mon Dec 10, 2012, 4:53pm
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eelpout Said:

The "Bric" does tick all the boxes. But it may take some convincing of the significant other to accept the corrugated, farm silo styling. And if I'm honest, me as well. ;)

Posted December 10, 2012 link

Ummm,  doesn't it have just a removable drip tray rather than being plumbed out ?  Removable trays and plumb-out don't normally go together.

Perhaps I missed that option, but worth a check I think as that was (sensibly in this case  ;o) one of your must haves.
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