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Bazman
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Posted Fri Dec 14, 2012, 1:14pm
Subject: Is this a good deal?
 

Click Here (www.amazon.co.uk)

Virtually half price.

I only need to make 1-2 double expresso's per day and ideally I want a machine that will produce an expresso just like the one that I get from Starbucks?

Would this machine be able to deliver what I want?
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Posted Fri Dec 14, 2012, 2:31pm
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Starbucks uses super autos now so yes, this should give you a very similar tasting cup.  Not a great cup, mind you and you would be surprised how easy it is to surpass *$.  Also be aware that super autos are expensive to fix and prone to break down.  Read all the reviews on amazon even the low ones to get an idea of the problems you could have. IF you still want it get it.  If you want more then come back and post again after reading the links below.


"How to Buy an Espresso Machine"
"First machine - 300-400$"
"For $200-$300 price range is the Gaggia Espresso Pure the best choice?"
"Decent Espresso Machines for $300"

Grinders:

Hand grinders are the cheapest:
Hario Coffee Hand Grinder
OE LIDO Manual Coffee Grinder
OE PHAROS Hand Coffee Grinder
Baratza:
Prescio
Vario(w)
Used commercial:
Super jolly etc.

 
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Posted Fri Dec 14, 2012, 6:18pm
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Bazman Said:

I want a machine that will produce an expresso just like the one that I get from Starbucks?

Posted December 14, 2012 link

First of all, welcome to CoffeeGeek, Hugh . . . .

Secondly, and in the FWIW Dept., it's espresso.  Sorry.  It's just part of my campaign to preserve the English language.  ;^)

Third, as I do not know where in greater London you reside, might I inquire (or rather, enquire), which do you prefer:

  • Starbucks or Dose Espresso (70 Long Lane, EC1A 9EJ)?
  • Starbucks or Prufrock (140 Shoreditch High St., E1 6JE)?
  • Starbucks or Sacred Café (Covent Garden, Ganton St., Highbury Studios, Soho, Torrington, Westfield)?
  • Starbucks or Tapped & Packed Café (Rathbone Pl., or Tottenham Court)?
  • Starbucks or Taylor St. Baristas (Bank, Canary Wharf, Liverpool St., Mayfair, Shoreditch, Westminster House)?

Cheers,
Jason

 
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Bazman
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Posted Sat Dec 15, 2012, 7:34am
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CofeeNoobie I will read the links.

Hi Jason, thanks for the info, sadly I don't know the coffee shops you mention (but will try to check them out).

My all time favourite coffee came from the canteen where I used to work, sadly I have no idea what they used.

I also like my local coffee shop very much and will try to find out a bit about what they use.

I will try to describe what I am looking for hope it helps you understand what I am looking for a little more:

I like the espresso to be fairly viscous, with a little froth on top.
I like it to be almost sweet when you first taste it (without adding any sugar) with a good round coffee taste, but without being too bitter.

In terms of the big chains I like
Eat=Starbucks>Costa (but its close)>Nero

Nero looses out because it's too bitter.

Does this clarify thing at all?
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Posted Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:03pm
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I think Jason's point was more... (to put it bluntly) do you want to make really good espresso, or something on par to *$$ over-roasted, charred swill? My guess would be that the cafes he mentioned actually do make good espresso, so if you prefer what they offer over *$$, then that will greatly affect the recommendations you get from this board.  In particular, if you prefer the *$$, then we won't deter you from getting a super-automatic machine, but if you want control over the process and prefer the opportunity to make great shots then we will try to sway you away from them.

 
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Posted Sat Dec 15, 2012, 9:41pm
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Bazman Said:

Click Here (www.amazon.co.uk)

Virtually half price.

I only need to make 1-2 double expresso's per day and ideally I want a machine that will produce an expresso just like the one that I get from Starbucks?

Would this machine be able to deliver what I want?

Posted December 14, 2012 link

I own the ESAM 4400, and it is the only superauto I have ever owned or demoed (nearly in the dozen range) that can do a 2-2.5 oz, 24 second extraction.  By removing the sheath on the steam wand, you can make real microfroth.  It will far exceed the garbage any Starbucks peddles.

As usual, fresh beans and operator experience are helpful. That machine is a steal at the price.
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