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Ameliej
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Posted Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:41pm
Subject: Lelit, rancilio or gaggia.
 

I've been shopping for a espresso machine in the last few weeks and narrowed it down to 3 machines, SBDU due to budget limitation.

Gaggia Classic (599$ CAN)
Rancilio Miss Silvia v3 (659 CAN)
Lelit p41TEM (with PID) (649 CAN)

But can't decide which one to buy...
I read about how long the Miss Silvia takes long to heat.
About how inconvenient the Lelit is to add water in the water tank...and the steam wand being to short.
As for the Gaggia...bofbof...read it was finicky about the grind and the plastic steam wand.

Here is some more info :
I drink lattes, my husband espressos. We rarely have to make more than 3 shots at a time. The machine is to be used every day, but no heavy use.
Gaggia and Rancilio service is available if the machine breaks. Lelit service?..forget it.
We already own a decent grinder

My budget is $750, PID included.

I had a breville roma espresso machine for 8 years until it broke, and worked in a coffee shop 10 years ago...i'm not a newbie to coffee, yet haven't owned a decent machine yet...

Any advice for me on which one to buy?
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Posted Thu Dec 27, 2012, 1:34pm
Subject: Re: Lelit, rancilio or gaggia.
 

Before we talk machines what kind of grinder do you have?

 
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Ameliej
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Posted Thu Dec 27, 2012, 1:49pm
Subject: Re: Lelit, rancilio or gaggia.
 

Baratza virtuoso
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Coffeenoobie
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Posted Thu Dec 27, 2012, 2:23pm
Subject: Re: Lelit, rancilio or gaggia.
 

The steps in the virtuoso are pretty wide.  I only recommend the preciso and up for espresso unless you are using the pressurized basket.  Which is not the best thing to do but it allows you to get away with a less capable grinder.

 
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Posted Thu Dec 27, 2012, 6:18pm
Subject: Re: Lelit, rancilio or gaggia.
 

Coffeenoobie Said:

The steps in the virtuoso are pretty wide.  I only recommend the preciso and up for espresso unless you are using the pressurized basket.  Which is not the best thing to do but it allows you to get away with a less capable grinder.

Posted December 27, 2012 link

I agree, though you may be able to shim the Virtuoso and get it to work, and lose some of the coarse grinding.

The machine choice is difficult at those prices.  Is the US, the Gaggia Classic is about $375 and then a good buy.

 
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Posted Thu Dec 27, 2012, 7:02pm
Subject: Re: Lelit, rancilio or gaggia.
 

This thread shows a better price for the Classic and OP is also in Canada???

http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machines/607723#607723

 
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revolver1978
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Posted Fri Dec 28, 2012, 7:47am
Subject: Re: Lelit, rancilio or gaggia.
 

Would you consider buying used? Gaggia Classics and Silvias are on eBay all the time. . . or maybe Amazon marketplace?
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Ameliej
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Posted Fri Dec 28, 2012, 3:23pm
Subject: Re: Lelit, rancilio or gaggia.
 

Forgot to mention its the preciso...

There may be better prices somewhere in Canada, but I need to have it shipped to Quebec. The Gaggia may be found at one retailer in Montreal, but the other machines are unavailable in Qc...It narrows down the options and the possiblity to shop for the best price...

Ebay may be an option and I buy alot from ebay sellers...but...how reliable it is to order espresso machines???
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Posted Mon Dec 31, 2012, 5:11am
Subject: Re: Lelit, rancilio or gaggia.
 

Ameliej Said:

Gaggia Classic (599$ CAN)
Rancilio Miss Silvia v3 (659 CAN)
Lelit p41TEM (with PID) (649 CAN)

Posted December 27, 2012 link

Out of these three machines, I would consider them in this order:

  1. Lelit
  2. Rancilio
  3. Gaggia

The Lelit poses the best value for the money. Mainly due to its PID, which is usually another $150-$250 add on for other machines. However, this
machine is a little unproven still because it is relatively new. So far, I haven't heard anyone complaining about theirs.

The Rancilio machine is the best quality for the money, at least IMHO. I owned one of these machines, they're bulletproof. It seems like almost every
member of these forums has owned one of these machines at one point in time or another and this is a tried and proven machine whose origin dates
back to 1998, (If I recall properly) so any bugs were worked out a long time ago.

The Gaggia isn't a bad machine in its own right, but a lot of people who own these machines usually retrofit them with the Silvia's steam wand,
which is a fairly inexpensive and easy swap. However, if you are buying this machine for the lower price, don't. You won't save any money over
the other two. (ie. The extra cost of a PID installation on the Silvia or the steam wand retrofit on the Gaggia.)

My advice would be, find someone in your area who sells and services the machines above and buy whichever machine they have in stock.

It seems to me that everyone seems to sell Rancilio machines, but I've never seen a Lelit machine on display in a retail shop, speaking from experience.
You would probably have more avenues of support if you purchased the Silvia.

Anyway, good luck!

 
Garbage In, Garbage Out, for every step of the process. From Beans to grinder, grounds to machine, coffee to cup.
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Posted Mon Dec 31, 2012, 12:13pm
Subject: Re: Lelit, rancilio or gaggia.
 

Ameliej Said:

I read about how long the Miss Silvia takes long to heat.

Posted December 27, 2012 link

This seems to come up a lot as a concern but every espresso machine takes a long time to get completely up to temperature.  A large mass of metal will not heat instantly no matter what the brand or model.  If that's a problem then get a timer.  You can't use warm up time as a shopping item to rule out certain machines.  A long warm up time is generally desirable as it's a rough indicator of thermal stability.  If your machine heats up instantly then its also going to cool instantly as cool water from the reservoir or line refills the boiler.

Ameliej Said:

Baratza virtuoso

Posted December 27, 2012 link

Save money on the espresso machine and put that savings into your grinder upgrade.

Ameliej Said:

Ebay may be an option and I buy alot from ebay sellers...but...how reliable it is to order espresso machines???

Posted December 28, 2012 link

It's the same as buying anything on ebay.  It all depends on the seller and sellers aren't all identical.  A generalization about buying on ebay isn't going to mean anything.  If you want the safety net of a warranty and support and a new item then buy from a reputable retailer.  That said, some reputable retailers use ebay to sell off open box stock.
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