diggi Senior Member Joined: 28 Nov 2011 Posts: 382 Location: Halifax, NS Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Spaz vivaldi S1 V2 Grinder: B Vario, OE LIDO Drip: Chemex, Espro Press,... Roaster: Poppery I
Posted Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:43am Subject: Re: New concept in espresso machines coming
CoffeeRoastersClub Said:
I know this is going a bit off base with the OP original question, but projects such as these make me scratch my head wondering how it all works. So if the kickstarter funding is approved the fundee only gets to build one? And who does that one go to?
No, I don't think that is the case at all. The way I read it is that in order to qualify for Kickstarter, the person looking for pledges already needs to have a prototype built as a proof of concept. (They can't use funding in search of building something that they have dreamed up in their head). This is a sort of insurance that what they are seeking to build has already been created. Then, they can get pledges to buy a machine (and the pledge amount must correspond to one machine). Once the predetermined amount has been pledged (say 50 machines or whatever it was the said they needed in order to satisfy an order), then everyone is charged, and the funding flows, and everyone gets a machine. That's the way I read that.
Posted Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:17pm Subject: Re: New concept in espresso machines coming
diggi Said:
No, I don't think that is the case at all. The way I read it is that in order to qualify for Kickstarter, the person looking for pleges already needs to have a prototype build as a proof of concept. (They can't use funding in search of building something that they have dreamed up in their head). This is a sort of insurance that what they are seeking to build has already been created. Then, they can get pleges to buy a machine (and the plege amount must correspond to one machine). Once the predetermined amount has been pleged (say 50 machines or whatever it was the said they needed in order to satisfy an order), then everyone is charged, and the funding flows, and everyone gets a machine. That's the way I read that.
That is very interesting. I see that some people do a small pledge and may only get a bumper sticker (the bumper sticker only being used as an example), all the way up to full pledges for machines. I would imagine that kickstarter gets a percentage of the final funding?
Len
"Coffee leads men to trifle away their time, scald their chops, and spend their money, all for a little base, black, thick, nasty, bitter, stinking nauseous puddle water." ~The Women's Petition Against Coffee, 1674
By creating a machine that always has controlled pressure and temperature it gives the average person, with a moderate investment a machine to match those twice its price. Allowing them to just enjoy espresso. The influx of new people into this experience creating a high level of espresso should create a renaissance of sorts, removing espresso from the endless theories and expensive machines while bringing it to the masses.
diggi Senior Member Joined: 28 Nov 2011 Posts: 382 Location: Halifax, NS Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Spaz vivaldi S1 V2 Grinder: B Vario, OE LIDO Drip: Chemex, Espro Press,... Roaster: Poppery I
Posted Thu Jan 3, 2013, 1:58pm Subject: Re: New concept in espresso machines coming
CoffeeRoastersClub Said:
That is very interesting. I see that some people do a small pledge and may only get a bumper sticker (the bumper sticker only being used as an example), all the way up to full pledges for machines. I would imagine that kickstarter gets a percentage of the final funding?
TonyVan Senior Member Joined: 24 May 2010 Posts: 269 Location: Pacific Northwest Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: GS/3, La Pavoni Grinder: Macap M7K, Rocky Drip: Kone
Posted Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:13pm Subject: Re: New concept in espresso machines coming
It seems forever ago that ZPM appeared with the beginnings of this design, riding with the goodwill and hopes from many of us on this and other forums. The hope as always was that fresh thinking could bend the status quo (and some believed the laws of physics) and there could be better and more consistent espresso possible at a breakthrough price.
Since then it's felt like a continuous slog of redesigns, missed dates, increased costs, and some feel a questionable hardware reality. A lot of us still hope for the best, but it seems a lot like the old joke about adolescents eventually appreciating their parents: "It was obvious that all the espresso machine makers were stuck with clumsy overpriced designs. It's amazing how really smart those engineers got in just two years..."
Iluvdabean Senior Member Joined: 7 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,057 Location: California Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: La Nuova Era Cuadra/Gaggia... Grinder: Baratza Preciso/K-A Pro... Drip: Capresso MT 500/Pour Over Roaster: Nesco 1010/Behmor 1600
Posted Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:23am Subject: Re: New concept in espresso machines coming
TonyVan Said:
It seems forever ago that ZPM appeared with the beginnings of this design, riding with the goodwill and hopes from many of us on this and other forums. The hope as always was that fresh thinking could bend the status quo (and some believed the laws of physics) and there could be better and more consistent espresso possible at a breakthrough price.
Since then it's felt like a continuous slog of redesigns, missed dates, increased costs, and some feel a questionable hardware reality. A lot of us still hope for the best, but it seems a lot like the old joke about adolescents eventually appreciating their parents: "It was obvious that all the espresso machine makers were stuck with clumsy overpriced designs. It's amazing how really smart those engineers got in just two years..."
This has such a ring of truth to it, all good points ! Yet call me a dreamer I still believe its possible to achieve what we can dream. I read where they monitor heat or pressure 60 times a second to make adjustments. Imagine its kind of like ABS brakes in a way. To me the skys the limit when you get a computer involved. I mean think about it. The two main factors in espresso are water temp and pressure and why should those be so hard to regulate? Maybe just maybe its time two engineers with a heart for espresso look at this equation. I mean Im just thinking outside the box here. I got this picture off their facebook page
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