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Ben_C
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Posted Sat Jan 5, 2013, 8:52pm
Subject: Seeking automatic machine advice
 

Hi all,
I am looking for a new machine. I would like a volumetric machine and am open to either DB or HX.  I need to keep the cost as reasonable as possible while being happy with the result.  Machines I am keeping an eye out for:
- Vivaldi II: ticks all the boxes for me although not many seem to come up used.  I would probably be better off with a mini although could plumb in at a pinch or make it work somehow.
- Musica: Looks like a great machine with some good deals around though not many used on the market and possibly on the expensive side
- Pasquini Livea 90:  looks to be a solid machine but I don't read too much about it here or elsewhere.  

Other machines seems to be a bit less common.  T1 Electra looks great but expensive and 20A.  Appia might work.

Any comments on the machines above - particularly pitfalls - would be appreciated, as would additional suggestions.

Thanks, Ben
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Posted Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:59am
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OK, so far, you haven't provided enough information to get any meaning replies (or any replies at all, for that matter), so let's start with the Standard Questions:

1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's capabilities.)
2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at ay one time? (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's ability to work continuously.)
3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's durability.)
4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pourover machine with its own reservoir?
5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit?
6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?

I have two volumetric machines, and (voluntarily) wouldn't switch back to a semi-, just as I wouldn't (voluntarily) go back to a pourover, situation permitting.

The more info you can provide, the better any recommendations will be . . .

 
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Posted Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:06am
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Hi, what Jason said and sorry I didn't reply last night but I didn't want  to type all that out and Jason has it saved as a cut and paste. Sorry Jason.

 
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
Vac Pot: Yama 5-cup
Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:22am
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No problem.  It's exactly why I can cut-and-paste!  ;^)

 
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Ben_C
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Posted Sun Jan 6, 2013, 1:00pm
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Sorry, I've been lurking here long enough to know better!
1- mostly milk based drinks although I may tend towards more espressos over time
2,3 - a morning drink for me, the odd coffee for my wife and friends and 3 to 6 each day on the weekend, occasionally up to 6 at a time
4 - I can plumb but am renting so pour over makes more sense.  I can make anything work at a pinch.
5 - 15 amp
6 - Budget is around 2k for the machine without grinder.  Less is better but I intend to have this machine for a while.

In terms of buying logic, I have had a SBDU (isomac Venus) for a few years and was happy with it but now I have moved to Canada I have endured a year with no machine.  A trip home has revealed that I have been accepting inferior coffee!  So time to get a machine again. I intend to take it home and run it from transformer ( although my next job may not be where I expect).  I am after volumetric both for ease of use and to reduce the intimidation for my wife ( she agrees).  My intention is to set up for the bean of the week and for her to be able to grind, tamp, press play and produce a decent shot.

Cheers Ben
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JasonBrandtLewis
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JasonBrandtLewis
Joined: 9 Dec 2005
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Location: Berkeley, CA
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Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
Vac Pot: Yama 5-cup
Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Sun Jan 6, 2013, 3:22pm
Subject: Re: Seeking automatic machine advice
 

OK, first of all, in the FWIW Dept., I have (albeit sold under a different name) this machine in my office (see photo below).  I've had it for over six years with no problems whatsoever.  I'd also look at Bezzera BZ07 auto -- just two to consider.

JasonBrandtLewis: office.jpg
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Ben_C
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Posted Mon Jan 7, 2013, 1:26pm
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Thanks Jason.  I have been watching a Pasquini on eBay but some reviews indicate it is not the easiest/most forgiving machine to use.  The buyer isn't answering questions which is a big red flag too.

I am still quite attracted to the Vivaldi, although when it comes to what's in the cup any of these machines will do the job.

Cheers Ben
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