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slofox
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Posted Wed Jan 9, 2013, 8:32pm
Subject: New Machines
 

I have had three new espresso machines in the last 20 or so years. Each of these has seemed to produce better coffee after a couple of weeks or more of production.

Is there any basis in fact for this impression or is it just my imagination?

Ta.
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Posted Wed Jan 9, 2013, 8:58pm
Subject: Re: New Machines
 

I expect you got better with the machines once you'd had a couple weeks practice and become familiar with them.
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slofox
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:09am
Subject: Re: New Machines
 

Well, yeah, probably true. But I am interested in whether or not there is some kind of "conditioning" that the machine itself goes through - not just in learning to drive a new one.

My first two machines were just el-cheapo domestic ones anyway, so required few skills to be learnt...bit different with the latest iteration.
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:49am
Subject: Re: New Machines
 

I know grinders have a burr break in time but I am not aware of that for espresso machines.  If you have gotten cheap machines and stayed with espresso this long,  maybe it is time to thing about getting a good one.

 
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:53am
Subject: Re: New Machines
 

In my humble -- let alone feeble -- opinion, there are two factors at work here.

The first is that, yes, after a couple of weeks, you (the 4th M) got better on the then-new machine and thus your drinks improved from when you first began . . . with that then-new machine.

Secondly, when we buy something new, we expect, we anticipate that it will be an improvement over whatever it was that it replaced.  Ergo, a new car will always be better than the old one, but a new-to-us used car will also be better than the old one.  So, too, with espresso machines.

But in my experience, there is no "break-in" period for a machine as there is with a grinder.

 
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013, 4:14pm
Subject: Re: New Machines
 

Well I have reviewed lots and lots of machines, when I get a new machine to review I dread it, because it's a fairly horrible process for me. I am what they call a "supertaster" and should theoretically not like coffee, this is only partially true. I detest any coffee flavoured things and cold coffee drinks, the only coffee I enjoy is hot coffee drinks, espresso latte or Americano. Copper boilers definitely add a strong taste to the water, especially so when new, less so once they have been used a bit, as does all the other parts of a new machine. The new machine taste is no myth although some people are more sensitive to it than others. I run a LOT of water through a new machine and also do a number of heating cooling cycles before I drink coffee from it. I will have a machine on review for at least 2 weeks, never less and only make the subjective taste assessments or quality assessments for drink production for drinks made in the 2nd and 3rd week.

There is some truth in saying that a persons skill level may improve as they learn about a new machine, but when I review the same model that has had some changes e.g. Duettos etc.. I am not learning how to use the machine, however, the same new machine taste and break in period applies. Interestingly this new machine taste is less (and over with faster)  when a machine has steel boilers!

So yeah.....new machine taste, no myth, how sensitive people are to this, variable....but probably has some contribution to the perception of better tasting drinks after a few weeks.

P.S. I also review a machine for at least 2 weeks, because I think it takes that long to really get a feel for the machine.....don't trust reviews done in an afternoon, or where they don't get the case off and have a poke around.
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slofox
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Posted Thu Jan 10, 2013, 8:34pm
Subject: Re: New Machines
 

Coffeenoobie Said:

...maybe it is time to thing about getting a good one.

Posted January 10, 2013 link

That is exactly what I have done...I'm old enough not to have to worry about this one's successor.
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