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BubbaDude
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Posted Sun Jun 23, 2013, 5:09pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

Rhinoevans Said:

Big talk for a machine with NO history.

Posted June 23, 2013 link

...where "NO" means "two years and tens of thousands of units", apparently.

 
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Posted Sun Jun 23, 2013, 5:27pm
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Isn't it interesting how people who don't own and have never used a BDB come over here and bash the machine.  Why is that, I wonder?  Envy??  

I suppose that we could do that on the threads that deal with the problems they are having with their machines, but I would just rather sit back and enjoy a good cup of coffee than get worked up about something that really does not concern me and that I know nothing about.
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Posted Sun Jun 23, 2013, 7:31pm
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donner Said:

...I would just rather sit back and enjoy a good cup of coffee than get worked up about something that really does not concern me and that I know nothing about.

Posted June 23, 2013 link

If everybody followed your policy, the Internet would be starved of content.

 
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Posted Sun Jun 23, 2013, 8:28pm
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Rhinoevans Said:

Big talk for a machine with NO history.

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I care less about history than what comes out in the cup.  Instrumented tests have shown that the BDB has both inter and intra-shot temperature stability better than the class of machines costing three times the Vivaldi.  Don't get me wrong, I still eye the Vivaldi because I was so close to buying one.   Plus the version of the Vivaldi I was looking at was plumbed and rotary, things at the top of my nice-to-have, list.  But temperature stability is at the top of my must-have list.

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Posted Mon Jun 24, 2013, 9:24am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

dagoat Said:

I care less about history than what comes out in the cup.  Instrumented tests have shown that the BDB has both inter and intra-shot temperature stability better than the class of machines costing three times the Vivaldi.  Don't get me wrong, I still eye the Vivaldi because I was so close to buying one.   Plus the version of the Vivaldi I was looking at was plumbed and rotary, things at the top of my nice-to-have, list.  But temperature stability is at the top of my must-have list.

--Peter

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What comes out in the cup today may be very different than what comes out next year or 10 years.  That is the history I am talking about.   Unfortunate that when some one makes a comment, it is considered BDB bashing.  In fact, I really really really want to get one, but....will probably spend a little more to buy a history that will be in my cup for the next 10 years, like my 9 year old S1.  BTW, still running  fine, just got upgrade fever and can't really talk myself into the GC3.

To all the BDB owners, I wish you the best of luck.
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Posted Mon Jun 24, 2013, 9:40am
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donner Said:

China vs Italy?  Now that's a tough one.  Have you ever owned a FIAT?  I have.  After that experience, I might take my chances with a Chinese car before buying another FIAT (fix it again tony).  Besides, the BDB is not designed in China.  It's an Australian machine.

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I would expect as much from a junior member to make a comparison to Fiat, and fail to mention Ferrari , Lamborghini , Maserati, just to name a few.  I would think that the Fiat example would be a good comparison for products from China.  Just a thought, and no I have never owned one, knowing that everything from any country isn't perfect.  
BTW I never mentions the design.
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Posted Mon Jun 24, 2013, 9:49am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

Rhinoevans Said:

I would expect as much from a junior member to make a comparison to Fiat, and fail to mention Ferrari , Lamborghini , Maserati, just to name a few.  I would think that the Fiat example would be a good comparison for products from China.  Just a thought, and no I have never owned one, knowing that everything from any country isn't perfect.  
BTW I never mentions the design.

Posted June 24, 2013 link

And by the same token, many of the quality consumer electronics sold around the world are assembled in China. Also, many of the component electronics are manufactured in China. As an example, most of the smartphones sold around the world are manufactured there. The CPUs for many of your devices are manufactured in China. I have no love for China, but lets not be blinded by biases which may not hold true for everything and everyone from a particular country.
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Posted Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:16am
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This is a ridiculous argument, there are things manufactured in every country that are high quality and long lasting.  There are also things manufactured in every country that are terrible quality, cheap, and throw away.  

What brought you into this thread rhino? Do you have a question about the machine? Is someone you know considering buying it? If you're just here to bash it without actually saying anything factual or substantive; leave.
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Posted Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:19am
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Rhinoevans Said:

I would expect as much from a junior member to make a comparison to Fiat, and fail to mention Ferrari , Lamborghini , Maserati, just to name a few.  I would think that the Fiat example would be a good comparison for products from China.  Just a thought, and no I have never owned one, knowing that everything from any country isn't perfect.  
BTW I never mentions the design.

Posted June 24, 2013 link

What insults!!  Junior member?  Weren't we all there once, not so long ago.  

Italians do make good products.  I especially like their shoes and boots, but footwear has no mechanical parts to break down.  Me, I can't afford to keep a Fiat, Ferrari, or a Lambo on the road.  I do hope that at least some of their coffee machines are more reliable than their cars.
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Posted Mon Jun 24, 2013, 11:39am
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donner Said:

What insults!!  Junior member?  Weren't we all there once, not so long ago.  

Italians do make good products.  I especially like their shoes and boots, but footwear has no mechanical parts to break down.  Me, I can't afford to keep a Fiat, Ferrari, or a Lambo on the road.  I do hope that at least some of their coffee machines are more reliable than their cars.

Posted June 24, 2013 link

Italian manufacturing is a joke around the world. After shoes, clothing, and food, Italy pretty much doesn't manufacture things that any sensible person would want to own.

 
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