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AlexKilpatrick
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Espresso: Breville Dual Boiler
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Posted Sat Feb 2, 2013, 5:24pm
Subject: Great grinder, crappy machine.  Help a newbie?
 

(I have been getting into espresso after learning how good a shot can be at a good coffee shop in Austin (Houndstooth, if you are from the area)

I upgraded my grinder to a Baritza Vario, which I got last night.  My current machine is a Delonghi K-Mix (Click Here (www.seattlecoffeegear.com))  Everyone always says you can make good espresso with a good grinder and a weak machine, but not vice-versa.  I'm starting to have my doubts, though.

I am upgrading to a Breville Dual Boiler, but i won't have that for another week or so.  In the interim, I am trying to see how good of a shot I can make on the DeLonghi.   When I make a latte on this, it tastes great.  However, I have been tasting the shots before making the latte, and they are awful - very bitter.  It makes me think that if all I cared about was lattes, *any* machine would work.  The milk seems to make up for all kinds of sins.

Here are some of my questions/issues.  Bear in mind that I have only a few things I can tweak:  grind, amount, and time.

1)  Is this kind of a machine capable of making a "good" shot?  I'm not hoping for God shot, just something that is drinkable as a shot.
2)  Currently, my shots take about 15 seconds to get started, which I know is long.  But they blond about 25 seconds in, and are almost clear very quickly after that.  What should I adjust?  Just coarser grind?
3)  This machine has a pressurized portafilter.  Should I tamp with the standard 30 lbs of pressure?  Or does the tamping not really matter with a pressurized portafilter?

Thanks in advance for you help.  I think it is an interesting experiment to see what this machine can do.
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Posted Sat Feb 2, 2013, 6:14pm
Subject: Re: Great grinder, crappy machine.  Help a newbie?
 

ditch the PPF, then we can help you.

 
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tinytot2
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Posted Sat Feb 2, 2013, 6:52pm
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Are you tamping?  You don't need to with a pressurized portafilter.  That could be causing the long extractions & bitterness.

Shots on my Barista machine took about 15 seconds when I used the pressurized basket.  I think the 25 second rule is more for unpressurized baskets.

Definitely use the unpressurized baskets when you get the Dual Boiler.
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AlexKilpatrick
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Posted Sat Feb 2, 2013, 7:43pm
Subject: Re: Great grinder, crappy machine.  Help a newbie?
 

emradguy Said:

ditch the PPF, then we can help you.

Posted February 2, 2013 link

I know people say they are terrible, but I don't really know why.  Can someone explain what problems they cause?

I did some more experimentation tonight, and I was able to vary between "bad" and "horrible" by changing the grind.
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AlexKilpatrick
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Posted Sat Feb 2, 2013, 9:17pm
Subject: Re: Great grinder, crappy machine.  Help a newbie?
 

OK, based on this tip, I read some more about PPF, and this definitely seems like a limitation.  More of a coffee soup than a real pressurization.  

I popped off the valve at the bottom, basically turning the pressurized portafilter into a normal one.  Made a shot with it.  I wouldn't say it was great, but it was drinkable, and WAY better than what I had with the PPF, without changing anything else.  

I have no idea why companies use PPFs.  I know they are supposed to be "more forgiving," but I certainly didn't see it.
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Posted Sat Feb 2, 2013, 9:40pm
Subject: Re: Great grinder, crappy machine.  Help a newbie?
 

If companies that sell espresso machines want to make money it follows the more they sell the more they make. If they can sell a machine that makes the majority of people
make a espresso like substance while telling them its espresso they will sell more machines . The small hole creates a fake pressure and people think its espresso. Espresso
is made when pressurized water at the right temperature is forced through the beans.The beans cause the resistance as the correct  pressurized water at the right  temperature
rips the essence of that coffee out in a 30 second pull. Before you buy any machine do your homework everything in the market place isnt grade double A.


AlexKilpatrick Said:

OK, based on this tip, I read some more about PPF, and this definitely seems like a limitation.  More of a coffee soup than a real pressurization.  

I popped off the valve at the bottom, basically turning the pressurized portafilter into a normal one.  Made a shot with it.  I wouldn't say it was great, but it was drinkable, and WAY better than what I had with the PPF, without changing anything else.  

I have no idea why companies use PPFs.  I know they are supposed to be "more forgiving," but I certainly didn't see it.

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