Markarian Senior Member Joined: 27 Jun 2012 Posts: 474 Location: Seattle Area Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Sat Feb 16, 2013, 3:17am Subject: Does anyone still use their spout PF?
Both of mine sit lonely and one just gets used for backflushing. At this point, I've associated fine espresso with the oozing globs of goodness coming off a naked portafilter. In marketing materials--even for specialty home machines--it still shows a double spout PF that could be sputtering and blonding to hell and back while pouring that smooth shot into your two glasses. So I'm just curious, except in cases where you're making two singles at once, are they even remotely useful?
jwoodyu Senior Member Joined: 31 Dec 2010 Posts: 704 Location: Michigan Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Sat Feb 16, 2013, 7:32am Subject: Re: Does anyone still use their spout PF?
Markarian Said:
Both of mine sit lonely and one just gets used for backflushing. At this point, I've associated fine espresso with the oozing globs of goodness coming off a naked portafilter. In marketing materials--even for specialty home machines--it still shows a double spout PF that could be sputtering and blonding to hell and back while pouring that smooth shot into your two glasses. So I'm just curious, except in cases where you're making two singles at once, are they even remotely useful?
I dial a new batch in on my bottomless which frankly is a shot or two then switch to the spouted.
You know those people that want to tell you how to raise your kids but have none of their own? That is how i feel when someone with a kitchen appliance tells me how the merits or dis-merits of my machine or how to use it.
Iluvdabean Senior Member Joined: 7 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,057 Location: California Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: La Nuova Era Cuadra/Gaggia... Grinder: Baratza Preciso/K-A Pro... Drip: Capresso MT 500/Pour Over Roaster: Nesco 1010/Behmor 1600
Posted Sat Feb 16, 2013, 7:52am Subject: Re: Does anyone still use their spout PF?
Although it looks cool Ive never even thought about one. The deal maker/breaker is how it tastes.
Markarian Said:
Both of mine sit lonely and one just gets used for backflushing. At this point, I've associated fine espresso with the oozing globs of goodness coming off a naked portafilter. In marketing materials--even for specialty home machines--it still shows a double spout PF that could be sputtering and blonding to hell and back while pouring that smooth shot into your two glasses. So I'm just curious, except in cases where you're making two singles at once, are they even remotely useful?
Right on "fine espresso" is about taste not how it measures up to some standard of its visual appearance. Too gloppy leads to over extraction nearly without fail. When using a spouted you can certainly detect the usual flaws visually as well as by taste. Like I said I still use the tool but more often than not it is for one shot maybe two at the start of a 5lbs batch.
To me the bottomless changes the texture and leads to a ridiculous amount of crema and subsequent crema collapse but as always to each his own.
You know those people that want to tell you how to raise your kids but have none of their own? That is how i feel when someone with a kitchen appliance tells me how the merits or dis-merits of my machine or how to use it.
DavecUK Senior Member Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 915 Location: UK Expertise: I love coffee
Posted Sat Feb 16, 2013, 8:36am Subject: Re: Does anyone still use their spout PF?
Rarely use the spouted unless I want two shots at once......much prefer the bottomless as it keeps you on your toes. I have seen to many crappy shots coming out of a spouted portafilter, where the OP doesn't even realise how bad the shot is. I also don't think it's easy to detect a sub optimal shot in a spouted portafilter.
There are 2 questions concerning the differences between bottomless and spouted portafilters that I am not sure about?
Does a bottomless portafilter cool the shot more or less than a spout?
Does a Bottomless change the "texture & crema" or not...if it does is it better or worse?
I have some opinions, but they are just educated guesses...
Endo Senior Member Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 804 Location: , location, location. Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Sat Feb 16, 2013, 8:41am Subject: Re: Does anyone still use their spout PF?
I spent over $200 on bottomless PFs and had to get rid of them all. Some big conicals make for some big spritzing (less fines) and the spout is the best way to avoid all the cleanup.
germantownrob Senior Member Joined: 2 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,011 Location: Philadelphia Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Duetto 3, A Dead Oscar Grinder: Vario-W, Preciso w/Esatto,... Drip: Brazen Roaster: Diedrich IR-1, HT B
Posted Sat Feb 16, 2013, 8:52am Subject: Re: Does anyone still use their spout PF?
I never was able to fully get rid of sprites 100% of the time, it might have been the 3rd time I got one in the eye that I stopped watching and soon after that my inconsistencies of prep where limited and my shot consistency went up so I stopped using a naked. I taste almost all shots just like I taste all food before it goes on the plate, if there is a problem I will find it then.
This is why regardless of what side of this question your own, pulling shots with a bottomless whilst naked is not recommended :)
You know those people that want to tell you how to raise your kids but have none of their own? That is how i feel when someone with a kitchen appliance tells me how the merits or dis-merits of my machine or how to use it.
Coffeenoobie Senior Member Joined: 11 Dec 2011 Posts: 2,312 Location: PNW Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: N S Oscar Grinder: Vario W
Posted Sat Feb 16, 2013, 9:10am Subject: Re: Does anyone still use their spout PF?
I don't use spout unless I want to split the pull. I often have tiny sprites that self heal but rarely have a mess. If I ever feel I am 100% prefect every time I might go back to a spout. Right now I think I need to see how the stream is acting and the cone collapsing is much easier to read than the color blonde for stopping the pull. If it makes more bubbles that is fine with me.
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