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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 9:07am
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ive just checked the single basket, max is only 10g so i have to experiment with the double basket

 
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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 9:12am
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jchung Said:

*sigh* WLL updated the ETA again. Thats the 4th time its been pushed back. Time to go to BBB tomorrow and see if I can get the 20% off. Will let you all know if I'm successful.

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FYI... I just returned from BBB. They accepted my 20% off coupon for the BDB. The final price was a couple $$$ less than the order at WLL because the BBB order includes shipping and taxes. The guy said they had to charge shipping since its an item they don't carry in that particular store.

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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 9:29am
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carz07 Said:

ive just checked the single basket, max is only 10g so i have to experiment with the double basket

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Although it might be heresy to use single baskets, both the single and double baskets work well.  I've bumped the single basket dose up from 9 to 11 grams.  Doing so allows for a better tamp as the tamper doesn't bottom out with 11 grams.  With the double basket, I started out at 15 grams and bumped up to 17 grams; again, that may work better because the tamper doesn't hit the sides of the basket.
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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 9:39am
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donner Said:

Although it might be heresy to use single baskets, both the single and double baskets work well.  I've bumped the single basket dose up from 9 to 11 grams.  Doing so allows for a better tamp as the tamper doesn't bottom out with 11 grams.  With the double basket, I started out at 15 grams and bumped up to 17 grams; again, that may work better because the tamper doesn't hit the sides of the basket.

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cant use the single, im starting my dose at 15g
did the 16g started to feel that you have tamped or did the 17g made you feel that

then again that is why im considering the 18g vst so i can tamp

 
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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 9:51am
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carz07 Said:

cant use the single, im starting my dose at 15g
did the 16g started to feel that you have tamped or did the 17g made you feel that

then again that is why im considering the 18g vst so i can tamp

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16 grams works too.
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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 9:55am
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donner Said:

16 grams works too.

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nice i will experiment with 16g tomorrow morning thanks

 
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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 11:33am
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I dont beleive the BDB is comparable to any machine really because of its unique design which sets itself apart. I dont know of any other machine which uses a heating coil in the chamaber above the portafilter. So when you say it is comparable to a La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi in feature set you have to look at the method it employs to achieve these and also factor in things such as bulid quailty . There is more to saying they are similar in features and a direct comparrison.I think this holds true when comparing any two machines. This then lends support to the Italains asking price when we consider hand made type construction,choice of components,engineering/design and over all build quality. It also supports the BDB being priced as it is, with its reliance on computerization,innovative technology,and Chinese assembly. So there are many more factors involved in comparing the La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi and BDB other than the two obvious of price and features,especially when you want to get to the heart of the issue, IMHO.


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I didn't consider any other Brevilles because I was looking for a PID'ed dual boiler and the BDB was the only one of those that Breville sold at the time I bought mine, in Jan. 2012.

As far as comparables go, there are two ways to judge: by price or by features. There's not really a close comparable by both counts because BDB is priced so much lower than the other PIDed dual boilers. For the approximate price of the BDB, other espresso machines will typically be at the low end of the HX variety, such as the Oscar, Expobar, or La Cuadra. In terms of features, the most directly comparable machine is probably the La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi for $1,995, but it's missing some features such as programmable pre-infusion and comparable temperature stability. You can spend $3000 for a PID'ed Italian dual boiler without trying too hard at all. Some people will tell you they're better, because they have larger, heavier boilers and lots of steel. Some will tell you they're easier to self-repair because they use off-the-shelf parts, and some are very keen on the use of traditional parts wherever possible. I don't have any experience with these machines so I can't comment on that.

The thing that makes the BDB stand out is the price/features ratio. Nothing compares, as far as I know.

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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 11:49am
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Iluvdabean Said:

I dont beleive the BDB is comparable to any machine really because of its unique design which sets itself apart. I dont know of any other machine which uses a heating coil in the chamaber above the portafilter. So when you say it is comparable to a La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi in feature set you have to look at the method it employs to achieve these and also factor in things such as bulid quailty . There is more to saying they are similar in features and a direct comparrison.I think this holds true when comparing any two machines. This then lends support to the Italains asking price when we consider hand made type construction,choice of components,engineering/design and over all build quality. It also supports the BDB being priced as it is, with its reliance on computerization,innovative technology,and Chinese assembly. So there are many more factors involved in comparing the La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi and BDB other than the two obvious of price and features,especially when you want to get to the heart of the issue, IMHO.

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I do think there may be other machines with a heated portafilter chamber.. It may be the Unica Rumba..
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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 2:40pm
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Iluvdabean Said:

I dont know of any other machine which uses a heating coil in the chamaber above the portafilter

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Well, in fact, some SBDU machines have the heating element in the boiler directly above the group head. Take, for example, the LeLit and (I think) the Solis SL-70/90. Do you mean a "saturated" group? In that case, the LeLit has one, but I'm pretty sure my Solis does not.

 
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Posted Fri Apr 26, 2013, 2:47pm
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Is there any reason to think that having the boiler over the group head is bad?  Seems like a great idea to me - it minimized the temperature drop between the boiler and the group head since the water only travels a fraction of an inch.   It also has the side effect of acting like a group head heater.
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