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Posted Mon Feb 25, 2013, 8:15pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade theory - Which machine next? And which one after that?
 

Hello everyone.

My inbox has been crammed with responses to this thread and it seems like I've uncovered a sore point with a few people.

I would like to personally apologize for causing this discussion, I didn't mean to stir up the dust on this.

Russell, I would go to your cafe anytime to see what you can do to give me your best. Maybe you could teach me a thing or two!

Diggi, I'm not sure what the heck happened, but don't let it discourage you from posting in the future!

 
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Posted Mon Feb 25, 2013, 8:40pm
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I sure hope there is no backstory and this was just people exchanging ideas. I see god-shots germaine to the issue of
upgrading because it may or may not be a driver in why people think they need to upgrade. You know, "I get god-shots because of my machine and you dont because you have machine x,y or z."
Just as steel sharpens steel so ideas sharpen ideas, if we can keep it unemotional and not get personal. Ive changed a lot of my thinking
because at some point in time during a discussion I was presented with an idea that frankly I felt was better and I
wasn't so full of pride or invested in my idea so as to keep it, knowing there was a better one. Ive for awhile been thinking of upgrading but it
would have to be for a reason. I cant say when but I will eventually and Im thinking Silvano, Oscar or La Nuova Era Cuadra  ( what a deal )
So I asked these questions to kick the bucket of ideas to see whats out there. I happen to agree with Russel on god-shot terminology.
I think JBL and Rob love coffee and are knowledgable too and really enjoy what they say.
So for me and I hope for some others this dialogue stimulates a persons examination for upgrading. The Gaggia Classic has served me so well its almost frightening.
Every single day for 5 years with one Group gasket and one steam valve. So, on that still to be determined day,
when I upgrade do I expect super shocking espresso no not really. I am upgrading for more control and more consistency which will
stabilize the quality of my shots over a long period and make it easier.




diggi Said:

I guess I didn't know the backstory here before walking into this mine field as I'm sure this scuffle didn't start on this thread. Sorry if my contributions were interpreted as against one 'side' or the other. Didn't realize the emotions were so heated or I would have refrained from posting.

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Posted Mon Feb 25, 2013, 8:56pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade theory - Which machine next? And which one after that?
 

Hello everyone.

My inbox has been crammed with responses to this thread and it seems like I've uncovered a sore point with a few people.

Why is that ? You cant have an opinion?

I would like to personally apologize for causing this discussion, I didn't mean to stir up the dust on this.

So there things we cant discuss I guess.

Russell, I would go to your cafe anytime to see what you can do to give me your best. Maybe you could teach me a thing or two!

Russel is a knowledgeable person.. I too would drink his espresso.

Diggi, I'm not sure what the heck happened, but don't let it discourage you from posting in the future!

I liked what Diggi said. I read that whole link.
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Posted Tue Feb 26, 2013, 9:35am
Subject: Re: Upgrade theory - Which machine next? And which one after that?
 

diggi Said:

I guess I didn't know the backstory here before walking into this mine field as I'm sure this scuffle didn't start on this thread.

Posted February 25, 2013 link

What backstory?

diggi Said:

Sorry if my contributions were interpreted as against one 'side' or the other.

Posted February 25, 2013 link

There are no sides, just people -- yourself included, I would imagine -- who love coffee and want to know more about it, how to improve their own coffee, etc., etc.

diggi Said:

Didn't realize the emotions were so heated or I would have refrained from posting.

Posted February 25, 2013 link

Don't ever refrain from posting!

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Iluvdabean Said:

I sure hope there is no backstory and this was just people exchanging ideas.

Posted February 25, 2013 link

Agreed!

Iluvdabean Said:

I see god-shots germaine to the issue of upgrading because it may or may not be a driver in why people think they need to upgrade. You know, "I get god-shots because of my machine and you don't because you have machine x,y or z."

Posted February 25, 2013 link

Oh, god -- hadn't thought of that!  Yes, exactly the WRONG reason to upgrade!  No machine has cornered the market on "god-shots," and no upgrade will ever guarantee their production.

Just in case anyone has gotten the wrong impression, No machine will ever produce one "god-shot," let alone do so consistently.  "God-shots" are rare and serendipitous events that only occur when "God is in his heaven, the stars are aligned just so, and all is right in the world."

I just got back from a week in Washington DC.  My morning doppio ristretto of Ethiopian Natural Yirgacheffe Wote Konga was GREAT!  Was it a "god-shot"?  No.  Was it amazing?  Yes!  Were my taste buds doing the "happy dance" in my mouth?  Absolutely . . . I had some good espresso in DC, but this was excellent . . .

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Posted Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:18am
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I didn't think this thread had gotten over heated.... I thought it was pretty good.  What does the OP think of the thread?  That is the important thing.

 
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Posted Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:28am
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Coffeenoobie Said:

I didn't think this thread had gotten over heated.... I thought it was pretty good.  What does the OP think of the thread?  That is the important thing.

Posted February 26, 2013 link

"Ever" the OP has not logged into CG since Feb 20  :)

 
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Posted Fri Mar 1, 2013, 1:55pm
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D4F Said:

"Ever" the OP has not logged into CG since Feb 20  :)

Posted February 26, 2013 link

I'd log in more often, but I'm too busy workin' over here!

When I get home I'll edit this with my comments after reading the new posts. Not sure what kind of drama has ensued, but I imagine there's some worth-while content in there ;)

 
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