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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 4:47am
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What is the temperature surfing you guys are talking about? Why would you need to temp surf on a BDB?
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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 5:09am
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carz07 Said:

those filipinos are not active since i started here hoping they'll be back. yup i had it shipped also. I have to buy the biggest available transformer, we are at 220v here.

Posted February 22, 2013 link

But you imported a machine from the USA instead of the very close nation of Australia that also uses 220v?

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I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 5:51am
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BubbaDude Said:

You could extend the pull by a few seconds, but that might be as good as you can get with that particular bean/roast. I find commercial "espresso roast" is over-roasted for my taste. Are the roasted beans dark and oily?

Posted February 23, 2013 link

not dark and oily, i dont know if i get it right but full city sometimes full city +
but if i extend pull time it goes beyond the 36g wet

 
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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 5:54am
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AlexKilpatrick Said:

What is the temperature surfing you guys are talking about? Why would you need to temp surf on a BDB?

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one of the features of the bdb ive learned from bubbadude is its ability to change temperature. you can play around with the temperature and see how it affects the end cup. in my experience im using the temp to currect my bitterness problem.

 
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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 5:59am
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EricBNC Said:

But you imported a machine from the USA instead of the very close nation of Australia that also uses 220v?

hehehe...

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the courier caters to filipinos in the US. we call it "balikbayan box" filipino culture, send stuff to the family back home. this courier caters to US base filipinos. sadly no australia but they said soon they will have. So i have to order from the states store and have it shipped to the courier's office. and then they will ship it to me. Also i asked breville australia and they dont ship internation. they suggested that i find a someone in australia where they can ship it to and then have that friend ship it to me. so guess that answers why im getting it from the states. hehehe its hard here, unlike you guys there hehehehe

 
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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 6:49am
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carz07 Said:

one of the features of the bdb ive learned from bubbadude is its ability to change temperature. you can play around with the temperature and see how it affects the end cup. in my experience im using the temp to currect my bitterness problem.

Posted February 23, 2013 link

To correct bitterness, LOWER the temp.  Maybe try 195F (for example) and see if that helps.  
Also, you can try to grind a little finer and use a smaller dose, pulling the short a bit shorter in this process may also help to "tame" it.

 
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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 6:51am
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carz07 Said:

in addition, most of the folks here are using great espresso beans, well your guest is right, very very rate that you see a roaster here hehehe.
Im always using SO espresso roasted beans, perhaps that affects the taste. an espresso blend is recommended which i will try also

Posted February 22, 2013 link

(Text Deleted as stale response! The  only relavent item left is below.  wow is this thread "li-up" today lol)

At any rate, I admire your devotion to "da bean". Good luck

Cheers,

Dave

 
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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 7:00am
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JonR10 Said:

To correct bitterness, LOWER the temp.  Maybe try 195F and see if that helps.  
Also, you can try to grind a little finer and use a smaller dose, pulling the short a bit shorter in this process may also help to "tame" it.

Posted February 23, 2013 link

the 198f is good already for me, it took out the bitterness. im a scenario right now of distinquising if im getting it sour or is it the acidity
i did a below 190-195 and it was a lasting sour to the palate but the 198 seems to be a quick sour, or is this the acidity? im sorry its rare to find good espresso here to compare

 
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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 8:07am
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carz07 Said:

the 198f is good already for me, it took out the bitterness. im a scenario right now of distinquising if im getting it sour or is it the acidity
i did a below 190-195 and it was a lasting sour to the palate but the 198 seems to be a quick sour, or is this the acidity? im sorry its rare to find good espresso here to compare

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If 198 already took out the bitterness and now you're getting sourness, then go ahead and try using a lower dose with finer grind.  In general, using a lower dose with finer grind lowers the intensity of a shot.  

Sour tastes can be from underextraction and/or channeling, too low temperature, roast too light (for the given bean).

 
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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 8:40am
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JonR10 Said:

If 198 already took out the bitterness and now you're getting sourness, then go ahead and try using a lower dose with finer grind.  In general, using a lower dose with finer grind lowers the intensity of a shot.  

Sour tastes can be from underextraction and/or channeling, too low temperature, roast too light (for the given bean).

Posted February 23, 2013 link

the 19g is a key, since with the 19g the puck doesnt stick. hmmm if i do lower dose like 18g with finer grind, i can still maintain the same pour rate as with a 19g and a courser grind right?

dry is 19g and 38g wet at 30sec - is this underextracted?
i cant see channeling, im using the stock, dont have naked here
198 just took the bitterness perhaps a hint of sourness came
roast too light for the bean - the roast is ok

 
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