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zedex
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Posted Fri Mar 1, 2013, 3:32pm
Subject: Re: Silvia alternative
 

I second the CC1. Silvia is past its prime. At one time it was the go to machine. Now its too expensive for what you get. Much better choices.
I would also look for a barratza grinder either the vario or the one below it. Walk away from the rocky.
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biochemgawd
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Posted Fri Mar 1, 2013, 3:57pm
Subject: Re: Silvia alternative
 

bogeybutler Said:

I have been looking into buy a Silvia along with the Rocky grinder, but have read several reviews about the Silvia and the temperature issues.  I was considering buying the Silvia with the PID, but was not sure if that was still the best option for the money.  I think I am sold on the Rocky grinder but just not sure if it is worth around $900 for the Silvia with the PID.  Should I be considering other options?

Posted March 1, 2013 link

Take a close look at the Lelit PL4TEM, which also comes with a PID from the factory and is quite a bit less expensive than the Silvia. I've had both and I liked the Lelit better.
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Joined: 9 Dec 2005
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Location: Berkeley, CA
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Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
Vac Pot: Yama 5-cup
Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Fri Mar 1, 2013, 4:31pm
Subject: Re: Silvia alternative
 

bogeybutler Said:

I have been looking into buy a Silvia along with the Rocky grinder . . .

Posted March 1, 2013 link

Why?  What was it about this setup that makes you think this is the way to go?

bogeybutler Said:

I was considering buying the Silvia with the PID, but was not sure if that was still the best option for the money.

Posted March 1, 2013 link

Probably not.

bogeybutler Said:

I think I am sold on the Rocky grinder . . .

Posted March 1, 2013 link

I'd "unsell" yourself, if I were you.

bogeybutler Said:

Should I be considering other options?

Posted March 1, 2013 link

Yes.

Can we start from the beginning?

Standard Questions:
1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's capabilities.)
2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at ay one time? (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's ability to work continuously.)
3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's durability.)
4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pourover machine with its own reservoir?
5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit?
6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?

Cheers,
Jason

 
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D4F
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic PID
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Posted Fri Mar 1, 2013, 4:39pm
Subject: Re: Silvia alternative
 

Already posted you JBL  :)  Your post first page part way down.  I could cut and paste but was not sure you would lke that.

D4F Said:

Look at the post and questions from Jason, JBL, on page 1 of this thread.  These questions and answers are very useful.

http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machines/616450

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D4F also at
http://www.gaggiausersgroup.com/
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bogeybutler
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Posted Mon Mar 4, 2013, 2:25pm
Subject: Re: Silvia alternative
 

Thanks for the feedback and questions...answers to questions below.

  1.  I will be making espresso, cortados and soy cappuccino's for the Misses. I might make a latte occasionally.
  2.  Most of the time I will be making 2 drinks back to back...one for me and one for the wife.  When we have friends over maybe 4 drinks.
  3.  I will probably make between 10 - 15 drinks per week.
  4.  I do not have the ability to plumb a machine directly into the water supply so I will need a pourover machine with its own reservior.
  5.  This is a good question and will have to double check.
  6.  I would like to keep the cost under $1500.

I have seen suggestions regarding this price point recently and a lot of people like the Oscar (wife does not like the look so will have to pass on that).  After reading suggestions I am leaning towards the Era Cuadra with the Vario grinder.  Is this a sufficient set up for my needs or should I reconsider.
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Posted Mon Mar 4, 2013, 2:51pm
Subject: Re: Silvia alternative
 

Check your email.

 
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
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Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Mon Mar 4, 2013, 3:45pm
Subject: Re: Silvia alternative
 

bogeybutler Said:

After reading suggestions I am leaning towards the Era Cuadra with the Vario grinder.  Is this a sufficient set up for my needs or should I reconsider.

Posted March 4, 2013 link

Yes.

 
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Micho
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Posted Mon Mar 4, 2013, 8:04pm
Subject: Re: Silvia alternative
 

I own the CC1, and highly recommend it for the money. Heck, I think even Seattle Coffee Gear is selling it as a combo right now which includes a Baratza Vario for less than $1000 altogether. You seriously can't beat that.  Great espresso machine, built-in PID, decent tamper included so you don't need to buy one at the moment, and an amazing grinder.  If you're not pulling amazing shots with that setup, I don't know what to tell you. The only thing extra I recommend you add to that setup is a bottomless PF for training purposes (and to watch all that candy pour down).  

That's the best advice I can give you.

EDIT: It looks like the combo now also includes a free bottomless portafilter, so there you go.
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bogeybutler
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Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 2:54pm
Subject: Re: Silvia alternative
 

Thanks for all the input...I just purchased the La Nuova Era Cuadra with the Vario W Grinder.  Wish me the best.
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CMIN
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Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 3:14pm
Subject: Re: Silvia alternative
 

bogeybutler Said:

Thanks for all the input...I just purchased the La Nuova Era Cuadra with the Vario W Grinder.  Wish me the best.

Posted March 6, 2013 link

Great combo right there, worlds better then paired with the Silvia. Plus it looks good too so wifey will like it lol, I get what she means about the Oscar, great machine but def the ugly duckling of machines. especially in this price range and up. I bet if they offered a metal version option it'd still sell no prob for more $.
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