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millert25
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Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 8:43pm
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I'm kinda a newb to the brewer business but $450??? Wow!
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Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 9:09pm
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millert25 Said:

I'm kinda a newb to the brewer business but $450??? Wow!

Posted March 6, 2013 link

I'm guessing you think that's a lot, but for an espresso machine it's actually entry level.

 
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013, 6:48am
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emradguy Said:

I'm guessing you think that's a lot, but for an espresso machine it's actually entry level.

Posted March 6, 2013 link

I agree, it is a little hard to guess which way the poster is leaning but like you said, that is entry level equipment....... PLUS A GRINDER!!!!! That is at least $100 for a hand crank unit.

 
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:38pm
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millert25 Said:

I'm kinda a newb to the brewer business but $450??? Wow!

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Its nothing... if you're new to espresso then anything will be fun, especially for milk drinks.  You'll wonder how you ever lived without a big boy machine when (not if) you upgrade.  Even with an entry level machine; company will still think its the best they've had if you get a good grinder and fresh beans.
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013, 6:22pm
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jcorde Said:

Classic is working well! I just want to try another machine in the same level as the gaggia

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I don't understand your reasoning.  You could save up another $200 and get a brand new Crossland CC1, and move up a grade.  If not specifically a CC1, then save a little more and get an Oscar.  Or something in between.  Buying the same grade machine, when the one you have is working fine doesn't make sense imo.

 
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Posted Fri Mar 8, 2013, 5:45pm
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jcorde Said:

I was looking at a used Silvia v3 but I dont know... some good reviews and also some bad ones!

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I also wouldn't recommend considering the Silvia as an upgrade from the Classic.  It's a sidestep and the Silvia is generally regarded as overpriced these days.  You're going from SBDU to SBDU.  Save up and go for an HX or machine with a boiler for brewing and a thermoblock for steam.

millert25 Said:

I'm kinda a newb to the brewer business but $450??? Wow!

Posted March 6, 2013 link

I thought so when I bought my Silvia long ago.  Currently looking at upgrading to something in the $2,500 range.  $450 is, as stated above, entry level price range.
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Posted Fri Mar 8, 2013, 6:53pm
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Today I found a Bezzera BZ40 for $500.  It looks good but the only problem is that I dont have water conection for it.  What you guys think about this machine?
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Posted Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:27am
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You can probably run that from a bottle, as I do with my Vetrano. The pump should be able to pull the water without any difficulty if you keep the bottle at machine level, even without a FloJet.

 
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Posted Sat Mar 9, 2013, 3:08pm
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I agree, if you want to try something different, you are going to have to double (Or triple?) that budget and consider buying an HX machine.

Save your pennies and wait.. A few machines which would immediately come to mind which would give you a different experience
to your Gaggia would be:

- Bezzera BZ09, BZ07 or BZ10P
- Nuova Simonelli Oscar

Good luck!

 
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Posted Sat Mar 9, 2013, 7:21pm
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jcorde Said:

Today I found a Bezzera BZ40 for $500.  It looks good but the only problem is that I dont have water conection for it.  What you guys think about this machine?

Posted March 8, 2013 link

That's a great price...if it's in decent shape. As above mentioned, if you have the space to setup a bottle system, you could do a makeshift plumb-in job.

 
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