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jcorde
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Joined: 8 Jan 2013
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Location: Puerto Rico
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Gaggia Classic
Grinder: Mazzer Mini, Hario mini
Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 1:18pm
Subject: Which Espresso machine with $450
 

Title says all...  Which one would you buy for home use to be paired to a mazzer mini?

I was looking at a used Silvia v3 but I dont know... some good reviews and also some bad ones!
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Markarian
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Location: Seattle Area
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Espresso: ECM Technika IV Profi WT-WC
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Drip: Moka, Aeropress, Hario V60
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 1:28pm
Subject: Re: Which Espresso machine with $450
 

Used Oscar or Gaggia Classic. The Silvia isn't worth getting without a PID unless someone gives you one as a gift. It's a decent machine, but overpriced at all stages of its life.
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emradguy
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Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 1:43pm
Subject: Re: Which Espresso machine with $450
 

what are you planning on doing with it?  1 or 2 espressos, lattes, or cappuccinos in the am, entertaining a party of 10 every couple of weeks???

Your price range puts you in the SBDU realm (if you only buy new), but that may be inadequate for your needs.  Which would mean you either get a used machine, or increase your budget (in order to get what you really need). These are important things to know, if one is to recommend a machine that will help you achieve your goals.

 
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D4F
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Joined: 15 Mar 2012
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic PID
Grinder: Baratza Forte-AP
Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 1:51pm
Subject: Re: Which Espresso machine with $450
 

You have a Gaggia Classic?  $450 will get you a side step not upgrade, unless you buy used.  What are you trying to do, what is your use daily, per session, or as JasonBrandtLewis asks


"Standard Questions:
1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's capabilities.)
2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at ay one time? (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's ability to work continuously.)
3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's durability.)
4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pourover machine with its own reservoir?
5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit?
6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?"

 
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jcorde
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Joined: 8 Jan 2013
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Location: Puerto Rico
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Gaggia Classic
Grinder: Mazzer Mini, Hario mini
Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 2:04pm
Subject: Re: Which Espresso machine with $450
 

emradguy Said:

what are you planning on doing with it?  1 or 2 espressos, lattes, or cappuccinos in the am, entertaining a party of 10 every couple of weeks???

Your price range puts you in the SBDU realm (if you only buy new), but that may be inadequate for your needs.  Which would mean you either get a used machine, or increase your budget (in order to get what you really need). These are important things to know, if one is to recommend a machine that will help you achieve your goals.

Posted March 6, 2013 link

I am going to use it for espressos and lattes.  Just maybe 3 per day at different moments.




D4F Said:

You have a Gaggia Classic?  $450 will get you a side step not upgrade, unless you buy used.  What are you trying to do, what is your use daily, per session, or as JasonBrandtLewis asks


"Standard Questions:
1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's capabilities.)
2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at ay one time? (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's ability to work continuously.)
3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's durability.)
4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pourover machine with its own reservoir?
5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit?
6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?"

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Yes I currently own a Gaggia Classic.  Its a good machine.  This second one is going to be at a different place.  
1)Espressos / lattes
2) 3 per day but not one after the other
3) In a week about 15 ( machine is only used 5 days a week)
4)Need a Pourover
5) No 20 amp circuit
6) 450 maybe 500 just for the machine.
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D4F
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic PID
Grinder: Baratza Forte-AP
Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 2:10pm
Subject: Re: Which Espresso machine with $450
 

I do not have an idea of your availability and prices.  Get another Classic, no learning curve.  Unless of course you feel that the Classic is not working for your needs.  The Classic is often available at one of the best values as it is usually least expensive in the SBDU group.

 
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Burner0000
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Joined: 28 Jul 2011
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Expertise: Professional

Espresso: Rancilio Silvia, VFA Expres...
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Drip: Manual Drip, French Press
Roaster: Behmor 1600 / Sonofresco
Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 2:16pm
Subject: Re: Which Espresso machine with $450
 

I would look for a used single group commercial machine.  Used I would go with a Silvia or Oscar.  My Silvia is a tank!  I love it!  Other machines like the Oscar do have the auto refill which the Silvia does not.  

Heres one: Click  

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Joined: 25 Nov 2007
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Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A.
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
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Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 2:30pm
Subject: Re: Which Espresso machine with $450
 

The most return for your dollar is used if you are comfortable with that. Otherwise, just about everything in this price range is the same give or take a little. Go with what you have for the second location, as said, you already know the machine but they are all basically the same.

 
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jcorde
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Joined: 8 Jan 2013
Posts: 34
Location: Puerto Rico
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Gaggia Classic
Grinder: Mazzer Mini, Hario mini
Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 2:33pm
Subject: Re: Which Espresso machine with $450
 

D4F Said:

I do not have an idea of your availability and prices.  Get another Classic, no learning curve.  Unless of course you feel that the Classic is not working for your needs.  The Classic is often available at one of the best values as it is usually least expensive in the SBDU group.

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Classic is working well! I just want to try another machine in the same level as the gaggia
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CMIN
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Espresso: Crossland CC1
Grinder: Baratza Preciso
Posted Wed Mar 6, 2013, 3:26pm
Subject: Re: Which Espresso machine with $450
 

I would just buy a used Classic if your looking at used Silvia's, and add a PID to both with money saved. PID will make things quicker and better on that machine, no temp surfing and better stability.
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