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AlexKilpatrick
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 2:08pm
Subject: Breville Dual Boiler compared to CC1
 

This isn't actually one of those "which should I buy" threads.  I have a BDB and love it.  But I need to buy a machine for my office, and I don't have the budget to buy another BDB.  I was looking at the CC1 as a reasonable replacement.  I like the fact that it has a PID, and I don't really need to steam milk and pour a shot at the same time.  All in all, it seems like a very capable machine.  However, I really like the shots I get from my BDB, and I don't want to "downgrade" in the quality of the espresso, if I can avoid it.  I can put up with a little inconvenience for the cheaper price.

My office is just me and my biz partner, so I will be the one operating the machine.

I'm hoping someone with experience with both of these machines can give me some more insight into what I will be losing by going with a CC1 compared to a BDB.  Please don't use this thread as an opportunity to bash the BDB, though.
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 2:22pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler vs CC1
 

I believe you will find they taste different.  Up to you if you like that difference.

 
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 2:24pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler vs CC1
 

No basher, sir.
Just have general questions.
Will  LOT of others be using your office machine, or just you and someone you can instruct on it's use?
Remember, MOST folks you know won't nearly have your skills, and the "right" espresso machine in the wrong hands could not only result in bad coffee, but could be dangerous.
Obviously either machine will provide a LOT better coffee than will an SA, but if you have multiple users, you may have to consider that alternative.
Hopefully not.



EDIT: perhaps if you re-titled your thread BDB OR C1, not VERSUS, you'll eliminate the battle royal you'd like to avoid.
I'll keep an eye on this thread for a while.

 
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AlexKilpatrick
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 2:36pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler vs CC1
 

Coffeenoobie Said:

I believe you will find they taste different.  Up to you if you like that difference.

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What would make them taste different?  Functionally, they seem very similar - PID, vibrating pump, etc.
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AlexKilpatrick
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 2:38pm
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IMAWriter Said:

No basher, sir.
Just have general questions.
Will  LOT of others be using your office machine, or just you and someone you can instruct on it's use?
Remember, MOST folks you know won't nearly have your skills, and the "right" espresso machine in the wrong hands could not only result in bad coffee, but could be dangerous.
Obviously either machine will provide a LOT better coffee than will an SA, but if you have multiple users, you may have to consider that alternative.
Hopefully not

Posted March 23, 2013 link

Should have made that clear.  It is just me and my biz partner, and a very rare visitor.  I enjoy making espresso, and my partner flatters me enough to keep getting free lattes.  So, it will be just me making espresso, and an occasional intern that I might train.
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 5:18pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler compared to CC1
 

If it means anything, I think my CC1 is pretty happening. I tried a shot and a cappa from a shop down here with some El Salvador. They were using a Slayer. I kid you not when I say I took those beans home, pulled a shot and a cappa and thought mine were as good if not better (I pre-warm my cups and they don't--this makes a big difference to me).

The ONLY reason I want a different machine is capacity. I love my ristrettos and cappas equally and I wish I could brew and steam at the same time. And cause the machine is a bit of an eyesore.

(Btw I use a Mazzer Major. I think this is most of the reason my Espresso is good--that's to say the CC1 itself is capable if paired with a good grinder. It does really well with my Vario too.)
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 5:45pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler compared to CC1
 

Are the drinks you make primarily going to be milk based drinks at the office? If not your answer is easy, why buy the extra boiler? The rest is delivery of hot water under pressure and how well they can deliver that water at the temp they say they are delivering it at. Thing is I have not seen a member run either machine with a Scace device to check brew temps during the duration of a shot, that could aid you in deciding and identify how shot extraction was done and why there may be different tastes. Why has this not been tested? I am sure it has not been, but why do we not see the results on a google search? Another way to look at it is the piece of equipment to test this sort of thing accurately cost near as much as a cc1. I can show you independently tested results of temps from my machine at various different PID settings
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AlexKilpatrick
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 6:32pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler compared to CC1
 

I don't know about the CC1, but someone on home-barista sacced the BDB and found it good to +/- 1 degree.
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 6:55pm
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This blog has measurements of the CC1.  Don't know what device was used to measure though.
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Posted Sat Mar 23, 2013, 7:17pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler vs CC1
 

I agree with you on the title,its seems a bit leading and suggestive. I mean to me the BDB part could have been left out and
what might have been an alternative would be, Is the CC1 a good machine for 2 people in an office? Maybe before this
does go south the OP would let you change the title or start over. I dont see what it has to do with the BDB really. Its more about the office and
a unit that will meet certain requirements and expectations.

IMAWriter Said:

No basher, sir.
Just have general questions.
Will  LOT of others be using your office machine, or just you and someone you can instruct on it's use?
Remember, MOST folks you know won't nearly have your skills, and the "right" espresso machine in the wrong hands could not only result in bad coffee, but could be dangerous.
Obviously either machine will provide a LOT better coffee than will an SA, but if you have multiple users, you may have to consider that alternative.
Hopefully not.



EDIT: perhaps if you re-titled your thread BDB OR C1, not VERSUS, you'll eliminate the battle royal you'd like to avoid.
I'll keep an eye on this thread for a while.

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