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Iluvdabean
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Posted Sun Mar 24, 2013, 8:30pm
Subject: Re: La Nuova Era Cuadra E61 HX - $995!
 

So mine is arriving this week. I tested 4 types of water and here are the results.Which is the best to use? Our tap water doesn't taste the best. G = General hardness which was calcium and magnesium. The TDS readings are from my TDS meter.
I ask this in light of the softener that comes with this unit from 1stLine.

Arrow
TDS 81
G 60ppm

Nestle Purified drinking water with minerals added
TDS 48
G 30ppm

Tap
TDS214
G 0 ( tested twice)

Crystal Geyser Natural Alpine
TDS 46
G 0







1stline Said:

Yes, it is a bit much. If you are religious about recharging the water softener, you can do a descaling every 3 months. However, if you forget to recharge, then descale every month. It also matters which water you are using. If you have 1-2 French degrees water hardness, your descaling regimen should be less often. If you are over 7 french degrees, descaling should be the more often.

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Posted Sun Mar 24, 2013, 10:03pm
Subject: Re: La Nuova Era Cuadra Owners Thread
 

So I tested the hardness of my water from my brita jug, with this product and it was about 100-120 ppm. When I used that water in addition to the water softener in the reservoir, my shots/drinks/plain water out of the machine tasted really salty.

So I took out the water softener, which fixed the saltiness and am just using my brita filtered water now. I just descaled 4 months later (2 shots per day, 5-6 days a week) and my water was pretty clean, a few floaties and a slight green tint to the water while I was filling the boiler with dezcale. So I plan on descaling twice a year.
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013, 8:35am
Subject: Re: La Nuova Era Cuadra Owners Thread
 

hey guys,

first and foremost i would like to thanks all of you - you made pulling the trigger on this machine really easy. My machine is arriving on Thursday and i do have 2 questions:

  1. Water hardness - I live downtown Toronto, Canada. From this: http://www.toronto.ca/water/faq.htm where they state: "What is Toronto's 'water hardness' and how does it affect me?
    Toronto's water hardness is usually between 106 to 127 parts per million (the average for 2009 was 120 milligram/litre or 8.4 grains/imperial gallon). Lake Ontario water is considered 'moderate' terms of water hardness. There are no harmful health effects associated with these minerals (in fact, some believe they are beneficial), but measuring them does provide a guideline as to how water use may be affected. For example, hard water does result in more scale buildup and you need to use more soap and detergents. If you choose a water softener, it's recommended that a separate, unsoftened supply of water be kept for cooking and drinking.

is 106-127ppm acceptable or is there someway i should treat the water to make it sofer?

  1. So I moved in to a condo building that was built in the last 4-5 years... it's quite modern. Would it be dangerous or not recommended to plug in a Vario and the Cuadra into the same eletrical outlet (ie. do you think i run the risk of blowing a fuse or damaging either machine if i'm operating both and they're plugged into the same wall outlet?)

Thanks!
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:38am
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At the end of my instake is the big yfilter with the yellow substance in it. Did you get rid of that?
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:15pm
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888RP Said:

hey guys,

first and foremost i would like to thanks all of you - you made pulling the trigger on this machine really easy. My machine is arriving on Thursday and i do have 2 questions:

Water hardness - I live downtown Toronto, Canada. From this: http://www.toronto.ca/water/faq.htm where they state: "What is Toronto's 'water hardness' and how does it affect me?
Toronto's water hardness is usually between 106 to 127 parts per million (the average for 2009 was 120 milligram/litre or 8.4 grains/imperial gallon). Lake Ontario water is considered 'moderate' terms of water hardness. There are no harmful health effects associated with these minerals (in fact, some believe they are beneficial), but measuring them does provide a guideline as to how water use may be affected. For example, hard water does result in more scale buildup and you need to use more soap and detergents. If you choose a water softener, it's recommended that a separate, unsoftened supply of water be kept for cooking and drinking.

is 106-127ppm acceptable or is there someway i should treat the water to make it sofer?

Posted March 25, 2013 link

As quoted from section 3.1 of the Insanely Long Water FAQ:

"Fortunately, the effect of water on coffee is a different story. Taste testing by various authorities over the past twenty years has established a rough agreement that neutral pH water with 90 mg/l hardness is optimal for coffee taste."

That being said, the author does follow that quote up with saying that most non-commercial folks are best served by using the water that comes into their house normally, and descaling preventatively. All depends on what you want to do.
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:18pm
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kajitox Said:

As quoted from section 3.1 of the Insanely Long Water FAQ:

"Fortunately, the effect of water on coffee is a different story. Taste testing by various authorities over the past twenty years has established a rough agreement that neutral pH water with 90 mg/l hardness is optimal for coffee taste."

That being said, the author does follow that quote up with saying that most non-commercial folks are best served by using the water that comes into their house normally, and descaling preventatively. All depends on what you want to do.

Posted March 25, 2013 link

ahh okay. Thanks for your reply. I assume the water softener in the cuadra should help bring it down a bit... but i have no idea by how much. I'll try tap water to start and maybe experiement after a while.

Thanks!
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Posted Mon Mar 25, 2013, 7:21pm
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grant862 Said:

So I took out the water softener, which fixed the saltiness

Posted March 24, 2013 link

Salty? There was something wrong with your softener if it was making the water salty or maybe you didn't rinse it enough after regeneration.
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Posted Tue Mar 26, 2013, 8:51am
Subject: Re: La Nuova Era Cuadra Owners Thread
 

Question gents.

Anyone know of a way to get the softener to not rattle around the water tank when the pump is on?  I've found lately, that I notice it rattling in there when the pump is engaged.  Nothing super loud, but you can hear it.
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Posted Thu Mar 28, 2013, 10:27am
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Got it yesterday and pulled my first shot (ever) last night. It was pure garbage, but it was awesome! Here's to learning!

PS: my 5th shot was much improved after adjusting my grind, warming the portafilter, adjusting my distribution technique, and tamping correctly.
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Posted Sat Mar 30, 2013, 7:51am
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Does it matter which backflushing solution I use on this machine? Also descaling solution? Any suggestions?
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