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rytrom
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Posted Sat Mar 30, 2013, 8:57am
Subject: Upgrading from Francis X5
 

Have been using X5 for about 6 years but finally it died. Went first to Illy checking the options to upgrade and their deal of subscribing for 48 cans of coffee and getting Pasquini Livietta for about $600 was tempting.

Then started educating myself and seeing at this site shouting at every page "grinder is more important than anything!" made me thinking to reconsider the whole approach.

I'm looking for a semi-automatic machine for moderate usage (5 shots/day on average). If I go the grinder route then the ground coffee is not part of the shopping list anymore? With a budget of $1000 all together it sounds like I still can go with the Pasquini and a solid grinder. Are the better options/combinations? Does it make sense to get tempted by the Illy deal at all?

thank you for your input.
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Espresso: Bezzera Strega
Grinder: Forte, OE Pharos,...
Vac Pot: Adcraft SS, Yama 8 cup
Drip: Brazen, Kalita, Chemex,...
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Posted Sat Mar 30, 2013, 1:31pm
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Francis X5
 

With apologies to the Godfather of espresso, don't do canned coffee for the sake of getting a machine that is long in the tooth.
Spend $300-400 on the grinder, and maybe look for a pre-owned HX (heat exchanger) machine, so you can steam and pull shots simultaneously.
You may go $100-200 over your budget.
You can get a refurb Baratza preciso grinder in the $259-$269 area I believe, so $700 for the machine.
You could score an NS Oscar for that. It isn't the most beautiful, but the internals are first rate.

I'm guessing a lever machine is not your want.

 
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Posted Sat Mar 30, 2013, 2:47pm
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Francis X5
 

Check with Seattle Coffee
Gear.  You should be able to get a CC1 and a good grinder for about $1k.

Fred
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rytrom
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Posted Sat Mar 30, 2013, 10:36pm
Subject: Re: Upgrading from Francis X5
 

Seattle Coffee Gear is amazing! Thanks for the advice.

Checked CC1; good price/quality but don't like the look.

Silvia is probably at a disadvantage at every category to CC1 (smaller boiler, no PID) except for the price but CC1 now is under a 10% discount.

Oscar is great but way too much for my budget. Will look for a refurb...

Except for waiting extra time with a single boiler consistency is the only potential disadvantage?
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