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RNAV
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Posted Tue Apr 2, 2013, 5:21am
Subject: For ESE pods, how much of a difference does the machine make?
 

Stemming from my search for a deployment espresso machine thread, I've ultimately decided to go with ESE pods (since iperespresso capsules are freaking expensive).  Here's where I need your help.

I purchased a 72-count ESE pod sampler to figure out what I like.  Currently I'm using my Breville Ikon BES400XL w/ ESE pod filter at work, and my Expobar Office Lever with a ESE pod filter at home.  Needless to say, the Expobar produces shots with noticeably more crema and flavor.  Taking the Expobar is not an option.  

Would it benefit me (i.e. would I get better quality in the cup than my Breville) if I bought an ESE-specific machine?  I'm thinking of something like the FrancisFrancis! X1, X5, or X6.  I'm just curious if I can improve on the Breville specifically talking about ESE pods.  Anyone have any experience in this regard?
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Posted Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:11am
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I have not tested it but you can often find pod Oscars used.  I would think they would be better than a smaller boiler machine.

 
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Posted Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:59am
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Coffeenoobie Said:

I have not tested it but you can often find pod Oscars used.  I would think they would be better than a smaller boiler machine.

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This is a good idea!  


Seattle Coffee Gear did a taste test on machines using ESE pods.  You may want to check that out.  click here

I don't think you can improve the Breville's performance.  I've read that most Brevilles don't reach a high enough brewing temperature.
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Posted Tue Apr 2, 2013, 2:00pm
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Thank you both for the input.  I think I'll keep an eye out for a pod-specific machine.  Fingers crossed!
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Posted Tue Apr 2, 2013, 4:54pm
Subject: Re: For ESE pods, how much of a difference does the machine make?
 

RNAV Said:

Would it benefit me (i.e. would I get better quality in the cup than my Breville) if I bought an ESE-specific machine?  I'm thinking of something like the FrancisFrancis! X1, X5, or X6.  I'm just curious if I can improve on the Breville specifically talking about ESE pods.  Anyone have any experience in this regard?

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I used ESE pods for 7+ years.  I, too, got a pod sampler to try out the ones I liked.  I recommend that you get a machine that does NOT have preinfusion (or at least one that can turn off preinfusion).  I have tried using pods with my E61 machine and the preinfusion causes a 10-second pulse of water through the pod.  The taste is substantially worse than than my Gaggia or S$ Barista machines.

Another thing worth considering is that because the dose is set (7g per pod) and the grind and tamp are set by the manufacturer you won't be able to do much adjusting.  I haven't tried it but I think that you can vary the pressure to influence the flow rate.  I found that 2/3 of the pods I tried were not usable because I could not slow down the flow enough to get a 25-30 second shot.  If you get a machine with an easily adjustable OPV you can experiment with this.
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Posted Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:46am
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http://www.espressoparts.com/S_377?&search_id=2045121
this will convert any used oscar you find into a pod one.

 
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