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Jon12345
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Posted Mon Dec 2, 2013, 2:28pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

I am thinking of buying one of these, although it will be the Sage labelled one because I am from the UK. Apparently its an updated model.

Can you make a cappuccino with these as good as one you get from a very good Baristas?
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Posted Mon Dec 2, 2013, 2:59pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

John12345 - IMHO, yes, you can make a very good cappuccino. I do not believe you will find the machine to be a weak link in the espresso chain.  I find myself to usually assume that position.
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Posted Mon Dec 2, 2013, 9:50pm
Subject: Re: Short shots all of a sudden
 

PrescottCR Said:

There have been issues with the programmed button times. I'm not sure if there is a real fix for you but hopefully someone will chime in.

While some use the programmed buttons I think you will find that most on this thread use the manual button.

Posted November 30, 2013 link

Thanks for the reply. I've just reset my timer to 32 secs for a double and all seems fine again (I think 32 seconds is actually a bit long). I generally don't use the manual button 'cos I like to steam my milk while the shot's pouring :)
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 8:43am
Subject: Re: Oracle
 

PrescottCR Said:

For anyone interested in the Oracle and in the US, it's listed on the Breville site for $2k. No 920 yet.

The Oracle page has a spot to sign up for notification when it's available.

http://www.brevilleusa.com/the-oracle.html

There's also a couple videos of it in action. Hard to beat for function/price ratio.

Posted November 27, 2013 link

Notice the "descale access" port on the lower right under the steam wand!
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 9:47am
Subject: Re: Oracle
 

Yes, descale ports just like the 920. They come with a test strip for water hardness and then you tell the machine the results. From that I guess it calculates when to give you a descale warning.

One other thing I noticed on the Oracle, a 2 year warranty!?! Hope that's not a typo. That would make adapting the latest from Breville an easier pill to swallow.
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DarrenHeaphy
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Posted Mon Dec 16, 2013, 10:35am
Subject: Re: Oracle
 

I came here investigating whether I should get the bes870xl or upgrade to the 900. Then I see the Oracle! It looks amazing! Maybe this is scope creep though ... any suggestions or guesses on when this would come to Europe?
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Posted Mon Dec 16, 2013, 3:16pm
Subject: Re: Oracle
 

Breville's Aus site is now providing indicative pricing, gives one an idea of how much it will cost in US and EU
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Posted Mon Dec 16, 2013, 4:53pm
Subject: Re: Oracle
 

The Oracle is a pretty fancy machine that grinds, tamps, and textures milk for you. It seems that its primary purpose is to make fairly high quality cappuccino available to people in office and small bistro environments where users are less skilled than the typical espresso buff who haunts these forums. If you're already setup with a nice grinder and reasonably skilled in texturing milk, it probably has little appeal. I think it's a smarter approach than the super-autos that make pretty severe compromises with respect to grinding and pressure because they over-use plastic parts in the brew path, but it's probably not going to make a better cup than you can pull yourself for less money.

I'm not real thrilled by the idea of keeping beans too close to hot boilers, as it makes then go stale faster. Personally, I'd like to see more advanced electronics in these machines for pressure profiling and that sort of thing. Maybe a machine that matches flow rate to grind and/or allows for user programming of the pressure curve across all 30-35 seconds of the shot.

But Breville has surprised us in the past, so I'm going to be interested in the reviews as the Oracle reaches out to a real user base.

 
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Posted Tue Dec 17, 2013, 2:26am
Subject: Re: Oracle
 

Good points re: the beans. I was thinking that, if I were to get the Breville Barista Express or jump up to the Oracle that the beans would be kept separate. How are you finding the BDB?

Here's the link to the Aus Oralce: http://www.breville.com.au/the-oracle.html
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Posted Tue Dec 17, 2013, 7:35am
Subject: Re: Oracle
 

in addition to bubbadude's post regarding the beans

notice why baratza uses creamic aside from it last longer than metal burrs? its because it that it keeps the grind cool. even at those low temp you are still very particular with the temp.

now if you mount the bean chamber near a boiler then think why you place the cups on top of the cup holder, it heats them using the boiler's heat so that heat also heats the beans inside the hopper

 
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