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dougz
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Espresso: Bezzera BZ07
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Posted Fri Apr 5, 2013, 1:31pm
Subject: I DON'T want to descale my BZ-07?
 

http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machines/90166

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If that's not so, how often should I descale it?
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dougz
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Posted Fri Apr 5, 2013, 8:15pm
Subject: Re: I DON'T want to descale my BZ-07?
 

I found this:

Click Here (webcache.googleusercontent.com)

Now to make sense of this!
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Posted Sat Apr 6, 2013, 10:03am
Subject: Re: I DON'T want to descale my BZ-07?
 

From what I understand the manufacturers just say not to de-scale it or to have it done professionally for liability reasons. No idea how often you should do it.

 
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Roaster: I buy pre-roasted.
Posted Sat Apr 6, 2013, 11:09am
Subject: Re: I DON'T want to descale my BZ-07?
 

If you don't want to descale it, you could use reverse osmosis water and probably go for years before the machine needed any attention, then pay someone to take care if its issues at that time. Or you could pay someone to descale it however often you want, but you probably don't want that either.  :)
Use it 'til it starts having serious issues, sell it as a "Needs Work" and buy a new one every couple of years.
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Posted Sat Apr 6, 2013, 11:34am
Subject: Re: I DON'T want to descale my BZ-07?
 

I like the idea of you sell it every time it needs cleaning.  I would pick up some nice bargains that way!!!!!

 
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dougz
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Espresso: Bezzera BZ07
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Drip: Technivorm
Posted Sat Apr 6, 2013, 4:08pm
Subject: Re: I DON'T want to descale my BZ-07?
 

What about demineralised water?  I work in a steam plant..

I'll contact idrinkcoffee.com, see what they say about descaling and warrenty..

The whole reason I spent the $$$ was so it would last longer..
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Iluvdabean
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Posted Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:04am
Subject: Re: I DON'T want to descale my BZ-07?
 

dougz Said:

What about demineralised water?  I work in a steam plant..

I'll contact idrinkcoffee.com, see what they say about descaling and warrenty..

The whole reason I spent the $$$ was so it would last longer..

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You could really screw it up if you run r/o in it and the auto refill for the tank gets messed up. If you let it get filled up with scale then thats a whole other nightmare.
Why would you spend that kind of money and expect it to never need attention. You really never have to descale or backflush just get ready to buy a new machine every year.
Machines dont fix themselves or maintain themselves. Its up to the owners.Imagine buying a new Corvette and never changing the oil!
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SStones
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Roaster: I buy pre-roasted.
Posted Mon Apr 8, 2013, 4:41am
Subject: Re: I DON'T want to descale my BZ-07?
 

The demineralized water is going to be better for it than straight tap water.  Nothing wrong with using demineralized.  It will still need descaling some day, but the less calcium that goes in, the longer it will go before calcium becomes an issue.
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dougz
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Posted Mon Apr 8, 2013, 8:30am
Subject: Re: I DON'T want to descale my BZ-07?
 

I'll see what they say at idrinkcoffee.com about it.

A fellow geek with the same machine has kindly given me the descaling procedure that he got from 1st line..

I had quite a scare today..  

It wouldn't turn on, even with a full tank.  I was freaking out for a full 10 minutes before I tried the SECOND most obvious thing and checked the breaker..  :)

Guess I have to beef up the electrical system in my kitchen!
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dyqik
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Posted Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:56am
Subject: Re: I DON'T want to descale my BZ-07?
 

SStones Said:

The demineralized water is going to be better for it than straight tap water.  Nothing wrong with using demineralized.  It will still need descaling some day, but the less calcium that goes in, the longer it will go before calcium becomes an issue.

Posted April 8, 2013 link

That's assuming that the demineralized water has enough conductivity for the boiler fill sensor.  If it doesn't, then the boiler will overfill, and the machine won't run at all.
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