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dougz
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Posted Tue Apr 9, 2013, 6:42pm
Subject: Re: Tripping my breaker..
 

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The one that tripped was one of the 15A breakers with one big handle (sorry if I'm getting too technical LOL), the other ones below it are 15 as well.  I think the 30A is the stove..

if she used a toaster or other heavy draw appliances then it was too much load

Ok, was hoping there was a way to have a dedicated circuit for the BZ07, but there's no spots open on the breaker board..

I'll call an electrician to see if there's anything reasonably cheap I can do, otherwise I'll just have to live with it.
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Posted Tue Apr 9, 2013, 8:18pm
Subject: Re: Tripping my breaker..
 

The electrician can install half size breakers, you have two breakers in the space of one so you may be in luck, good luck :-)

 
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Posted Tue Apr 9, 2013, 8:32pm
Subject: Re: Tripping my breaker..
 

you have two breakers in the space of one so you may be in luck

Yeah, what's up with that?

Thanks, I'll make the call..  :)
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Posted Tue Apr 9, 2013, 9:18pm
Subject: Re: Tripping my breaker..
 

Hmmm.   I started to write out a rather long post, but it's difficult to explain how all this works, especially if I can't draw on a whiteboard!  Bottom line:  you can't fix your problem by inserting more half-size breakers in your panel.  Also, as mentioned, don't swap a 15A breaker for a 20A breaker -- that will be a rather short-term solution!  Basically, you need to balance your load, or install a dedicated circuit.  The 1200W load of your coffee machine isn't terribly aggressive, but running a similar load at the same time will cause problems (as you've seen).   If possible, move these "other loads" to a different circuit.  If that's impossible, install a dedicated circuit for your coffee machine (or for your other heavy load).  Typically, running new/dedicated circuits is a bit of a pain, and can be costly.  Also, I wouldn't recommend using extension cords to plug things in to a different circuit.  However, if you insist on that, make sure they are rated for the appropriate current draw (or greater).

Good luck!
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Posted Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:09pm
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If possible, move these "other loads" to a different circuit.  If that's impossible, install a dedicated circuit for your coffee machine (or for your other heavy load).  Typically, running new/dedicated circuits is a bit of a pain, and can be costly.

Ok, thanks, I'll see what the electrician recommends..

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Posted Wed Apr 10, 2013, 3:53am
Subject: Re: Tripping my breaker..
 

When the op said they were calling in an electrician I knew he would be getting sound advice on His SPECIFIC situation. Switching to a duplex breaker to add a circuit, will split the load and provide a specific solution to this problem.

You do not ALWAYS need to upgrade the panel to gain circuit space, that was the point I was making. On the other hand, though a licensed electrician WILL balance the load on the panel, only a hands on inspection of the equipment installation can determine if a service upgrade is advisable.

We can pontificate all we like but a professional on site is the only one who is qualified to make the call.

 
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Posted Wed Apr 10, 2013, 5:59am
Subject: Re: Tripping my breaker..
 

I was a bit short on time with the above post.

Eric, it sounds like you know a little about electric. (little is not a put down, it is a way to say you know something about the subject) and I do as well. I have a lot of time doing electrical work and it sounds like you have also.

I would never tell anyone or imply that anyone should do anything that is unsafe and it sounds like that is your concern here too, thank you for caring to keep things safe.

I have found that sometimes too much information is, well too much. If someone is not "up to speed" on a subject, it is often better to talk in general terms rather than be specific. The poster indicated that they were going to call an electrician and that is the safest course of action.

The poster indicated that the panel was out of spaces, implying that there was no room to add another circuit dedicated to an espresso machine, my post was just to give a little info that there are other ways to get more circuits than adding another full size breaker, that you can replace single size breakers with duplex breakers and thus free up some space to add another circuit.

The subject of is there enough capacity in his service, likely a 100 amp service, is another thing entirely. If the service needs to be upgraded to a 200 amp service, only an on site electrician, familiar with local codes in addition to the NEC, can determine if more work needs to be done.

As everyone has said, you should NOT just put a bigger breaker on the branch circuit, the run of wires needs to match the amppacity of the protection device. Even a contractor may not "get it right" if they are not properly trained. We recently had water damage to our home and while the walls were open, I asked the contractor to run a 20 amp line to the entertainment area so that I could remove the load of electronics from the home wall outlet circuit which was not designed for the devices we were running. As I have a day job as well, I asked them to do the work rather than doing it myself. The main run was done properly by an electrician but he did not do all I asked the contractor to do, so he had "one of his guys" finish the job. The "guy" spliced in 14 g wire onto the 12 g that the run was made with, he did this because it was on his truck and he did not want to run to the shop to get more wire.  Even though this was only to two outlets and likely would not be ever run to the branch circuit limit, you can NOT run a smaller gauge wire in that circuit as the POSSIBILITY exists that you could over tax the 14 g wire and cause a fire. I found the error and had the contractor correct the issue before the county inspector was called to OK the work. The moral of the above is I do know a little about this subject and would NEVER direct anyone to do anything that was unsafe.

Thank you for your concern and true desire to only give safe information in your posts.

 
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Posted Wed Apr 10, 2013, 10:30am
Subject: Re: Tripping my breaker..
 

calblacksmith Said:

I have found that sometimes too much information is, well too much. If someone is not "up to speed" on a subject, it is often better to talk in general terms rather than be specific. The poster indicated that they were going to call an electrician and that is the safest course of action.

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This is the right answer!

Wayne, I agree with everything you posted, and hope I didn't cause any confusion previously.  I guess what I was trying to say was that only installing a half size breaker won't fix the issue (though it will provide another breaker in an already-full panel).  To really fix the problem, you have to run a new circuit from that new breaker, and that's the tricky part.
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