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Phrasemonger
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 9:47am
Subject: Pressure showing 0 bars - Lelit PL41EM V2
 

Hey guys, beginner here wondering if someone can give me some help.

I just picked up a Lelit PL41EM V2 yesterday, and I've been having some trouble with the manometer on the machine - it won't move and stays locked on 0. I've gone through the troubleshooting suggestions in the manual, and it lists that the issue could be:

  1. Lack of water in the tank.
  2. Steam switch on.

Neither of these are the case though, as the tank is full and the steam switch is off. Any suggestions on what I'm doing wrong?


Cheers!
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 9:57am
Subject: Re: Pressure showing 0 bars - Lelit PL41EM V2
 

is this a new or used machine?

can you hear the pump running when you turn it on?

is it heating up?

does water come out of the group?

 
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:25am
Subject: Re: Pressure showing 0 bars - Lelit PL41EM V2
 

Hey! Thanks for the response!

It's a brand new machine, just purchased yesterday. Never been used before.

It's definitely heating up, and the pump is running. Water comes out of the group, no problem. I've actually been able to pull some shots with it (mediocre, because I'm very much still learning), so it doesn't appear to be having issues there.

Functionally, I haven't noticed anything wrong with the way the machine functions. Just that manometer....
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:57am
Subject: Re: Pressure showing 0 bars - Lelit PL41EM V2
 

if it won't void your warranty, you might want to open it up and make sure the gauge is connected.  otherwise, contact the dealer.

 
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:07pm
Subject: Re: Pressure showing 0 bars - Lelit PL41EM V2
 

Out of curiosity, what should the pump sound like when I turn it on? I realize this might be a dumb question haha, but how noticeable should the noise coming from it be.
I ask because I just turned it on, after having it sit off for a bit, and although it heat up no problem (triggering all the proper lights on the front of the machine), I didn't notice any distinctly audible noises from it.

Thanks so much for your help, by the way!
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:45pm
Subject: Re: Pressure showing 0 bars - Lelit PL41EM V2
 

Additional note: It definitely does make noise when you push the "coffee/hot water" button - a chugging sort of noise I imagine is the pump...so I don't think the pump is faulty.
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Posted Sun Apr 14, 2013, 1:47pm
Subject: Re: Pressure showing 0 bars - Lelit PL41EM V2
 

Watch this video carefully - is your machine behaving similarly?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK3N0gRRl18

if yes, then you're fine. Just need to learn the ropes.

John
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 9:12am
Subject: Re: Pressure showing 0 bars - Lelit PL41EM V2
 

Phrasemonger Said:

...and the pump is running. Water comes out of the group, no problem...Just that manometer....

Posted April 14, 2013 link

yeah, you've proven it's not the pump.

I still wonder if the gauge just isn't connected inside.  things sometimes come loose in shipping "from vibrations", or maybe some assembly tech forgot to hook it up, or it was mishandled in transit, or...well, you get the idea...

call the dealer or check your paperwork to make sure you won't void the warranty by opening the case (if you haven't already).

Please report back!

 
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 9:23am
Subject: Re: Pressure showing 0 bars - Lelit PL41EM V2
 

I'm thinking it's one of two things, after playing around with it a bit:

  1. The gauge just isn't connected, like you've said. I'm going to check the warranty info and then open her up tonight, pending my findings on number 2 which is....

  2. I've been using an old bag of espresso beans to test with, as I'm buying my grinder tonight and they were all I had on hand. They were ground about a month ago by someone who I can't vouch for, and given to me when I first started talking about getting into buying a machine. I figured they'd be fine for getting a feel for the machine with (so I didn't waste good beans learning the basics of tamping and whatnot). Now, with these beans I find that I'm pulling shots WAY too fast (even considering I'm just a beginner), and after watching videos I'm pretty sure it's not entirely the fault of my tamp...shots are coming out watery, and filling a cup in seconds.

SO...the beans may just be lousy, and I may not actually be getting any pressure in the portafilter - hence the manometer reading 0. Again, I know very little about this stuff, so feel free to chime in and tell me I'm crazy, but I'm really hoping point number 2 is what's happening. Like I said, I'm buying my grinder tonight, so I'll try with some properly ground beans and see what happens.

Hoping this works!
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 9:45am
Subject: Re: Pressure showing 0 bars - Lelit PL41EM V2
 

well, that's certainly possibly, though I would still expect the gauge needle to do something, even if it just wiggles a little...as you said, you'll find out tonight.  you could also test it with a blind pf basket or insert.  If you don't have one, you should get one, because you need it to backflush.

what grinder are you getting?

 
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