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CarloM
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 4:02pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Dream T / Mini E - Completely Worth It
 

It's funny I just bought a new car last year and this search for an espresso machine reminds me exactly of that search! No matter which car I went with there's always some other feature I wanted from another car (like the Angel Eyes headlights of the BMW or the Daytime Running Lights of the Audi). But I bought my car and despite the fact that it didn't have those, so much of it is "right" that I'm willing to forgo those other things because it does all of the things I want it to do well.

The good news is that by all accounts, both the Alex and the Spaz will do what we want: make great espresso-based drinks. So now it's just narrowing down which has the bells and whistles that matter most to you. And just like I found with the car, whichever one you buy you'll probably end up happy with and forgive it for any of its very minor deficiencies.
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JPF
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 5:15pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Dream T / Mini E - Completely Worth It
 

There is no "perfect" machine.  When I started looking a few years ago, the original Duetto was really the only switchable machine, so it was even harder then.  Now there are quite a few.  In this class, no machine is really going to disappoint, so the best thing to do is concentrate on what you really can't live without, or what you'd be bothered by, and focus on that.  Don't think you can stand the sound of a vibe pump, then go rotary.  Really like the E61, go with that, etc.

I really wanted a Vivaldi, but the Mini came up for sale used literally up the street so I jumped, and saved quite a bit.  Would I like the plumbed model? Yes.  Does it bother me I have the Mini? No.

 
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SSgt93
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Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 7:47pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Dream T / Mini E - Completely Worth It
 

Mathfuzzy, how is the timer on the Dream T? I will use it daily if I go with a Spaz.

Also, have you upgraded to the latest software? Any issues?
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 8:56pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Dream T / Mini E - Completely Worth It
 

JPF Said:

I really wanted a Vivaldi, but the Mini came up for sale used literally up the street so I jumped, and saved quite a bit.  Would I like the plumbed model? Yes.  Does it bother me I have the Mini? No.

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This is a good point.


Nit picking to drive yourself crazy IS worth it sometimes.  


In the case of the Vivaldi vs. Duetto, you can go back and forth until the cows go home.  They are basically the two best machines on the market until you hit a La Marzocco.  (Dual boiler wise)


A month after you bought the machine, you're not going to care about the one you didnt choose.

 
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Coffee makes your constantly overcome your prejudices and re-evaluate your own "received wisdoms" when it comes to judging cup flavors. -Tom Owen, SweetMarias
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SSgt93
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 9:09pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Dream T / Mini E - Completely Worth It
 

Jmanespresso Said:

This is a good point.


Nit picking to drive yourself crazy IS worth it sometimes.  


In the case of the Vivaldi vs. Duetto, you can go back and forth until the cows go home.  They are basically the two best machines on the market until you hit a La Marzocco.  (Dual boiler wise)


A month after you bought the machine, you're not going to care about the one you didnt choose.

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You really are the voice of reason on here. Love your posts.  You need a better user name, 'InformationCentral' or something.

After researching this to death for the past few weeks, I am getting close to a decision.  Can't wait to finalize, share my decision, and of course, learn a few things from you all.
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Mathfuzzy
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 9:18pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Dream T / Mini E - Completely Worth It
 

SSgt93 Said:

Mathfuzzy, how is the timer on the Dream T? I will use it daily if I go with a Spaz.

Also, have you upgraded to the latest software? Any issues?

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Sorry - just read this.

The timer functionality is great. It basically works as advertised and is relatively straightforward. The interface is a little clunky, but hopefully that gets better. I'd love an app interface, but you can't have everything.

I have version 1.17 and it's fine and stable. Not written by someone who has deep UI expertise, but completely functional and workable.

Basically, yeah, I'm really happy with this setup. I agonized over the decision and ended up with enough that's great to not be thinking about "what if."
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SSgt93
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 7:38am
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Dream T / Mini E - Completely Worth It
 

Mathfuzzy Said:

Sorry - just read this.

The timer functionality is great. It basically works as advertised and is relatively straightforward. The interface is a little clunky, but hopefully that gets better. I'd love an app interface, but you can't have everything.

I have version 1.17 and it's fine and stable. Not written by someone who has deep UI expertise, but completely functional and workable.

Basically, yeah, I'm really happy with this setup. I agonized over the decision and ended up with enough that's great to not be thinking about "what if."

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That's good to know.  I believe 1.18 is out and 1.19 is coming out soon?
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CarloM
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 2:13pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Dream T / Mini E - Completely Worth It
 

From what I've been reading on S1Cafe (where apparently at least one of the members is a beta tester for new firmware) yes 1.18 and later versions will be available shortly. That's one thing that the Dream has in its favor, constantly evolving (and theoretically improving) firmware.

Also read a theory that the SCACE device CCS was using to calibrate may have been off, which resulted in some less-than-optimal offset settings in the firmware as it shipped from CCS. CCS is, I believe, addressing this concern.

Again, hopefully by the time I'm ready to purchase these little kinks will have been ironed out.
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SSgt93
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Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 2:55pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Dream T / Mini E - Completely Worth It
 

CarloM Said:

From what I've been reading on S1Cafe (where apparently at least one of the members is a beta tester for new firmware) yes 1.18 and later versions will be available shortly. That's one thing that the Dream has in its favor, constantly evolving (and theoretically improving) firmware.

Also read a theory that the SCACE device CCS was using to calibrate may have been off, which resulted in some less-than-optimal offset settings in the firmware as it shipped from CCS. CCS is, I believe, addressing this concern.

Again, hopefully by the time I'm ready to purchase these little kinks will have been ironed out.

Posted April 16, 2013 link

I may wait a bit to see about the new software, but love the Spaz Dream with wood panels from Clive.  After a price quote from CCS, the R58 may be an option as well.
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SSgt93
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Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II
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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 3:52pm
Subject: Re: Upgrade to Dream T / Mini E - Completely Worth It
 

Well, sat down with my wife and went over my top choices with my wife.  We both love the La Spaziale Vivaldi II Mini with timer (due to great track record, also like the lever action steam better) with the walnut sides from Clive Coffee.
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