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guavis
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Posted Wed May 1, 2013, 9:26am
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Hi everyone, i'm a newbie and i need some help. Im going to open a small coffee shop, i didn't have experience with espresso machines, grinders, etc., but i start reading a lot of books, watching videos, grinding and making espressos and now i can make a nice cup of cappuccino :)(latte art it's not for me right now haha), the people i hired got experience because they worked in another coffee shops. I got a delonghi ec702 but obviously i need something better for 150 cup per day... for now cause im starting. Which commercial machine should i buy?? With 1-2 groups? Thank you very much!
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Posted Wed May 1, 2013, 9:39am
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Get what you can get serviced in your area.  Some roasters will help you out with equipment if you get their beans.

 
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Posted Wed May 1, 2013, 10:15am
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Estimate how many drinks per day you will be selling.  Then determine how much your costs will be per drink.  Then add in overhead and figure out your profit per drink.  That will give your your payback on your investment for the machine.  Then you can make a judgement based on how long you want that payback to be in drinks.
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Posted Wed May 1, 2013, 10:19am
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Thanks, i read that i can have the best machine but if the grinder doesn't work well i won't have a nice shot. Roasters near me... i guess i forgot to mention that im from Ensenada, Mexico so i can buy from some roasters in veracruz, chiapas, etc (here in mexico but too far) or go to san diego(more easy for me) like 2-3 hours away, but i don't know which one could be the best for my needs, i read about bird rock coffee but i don't know :(
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Posted Wed May 1, 2013, 10:22am
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The closest coffee shop to me has a Faema Smart. I really can't give you any recommendations though.
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Posted Wed May 1, 2013, 11:04am
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While I appreciate your desire to open your own shop, with the very limited amount of experience you currently have, it's almost doomed to failure. My suggestion would be to go get a job working in somebody else's shop for a while, paying careful attention to how the business works while you're refining the art and craft of being a barista. Do that, and you'll know the answers to your questions and be much more ready to open and run a successful shop of your own.
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Posted Wed May 1, 2013, 1:27pm
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gvegastiger Said:

Estimate how many drinks per day you will be selling.  Then determine how much your costs will be per drink.  Then add in overhead and figure out your profit per drink.  That will give your your payback on your investment for the machine.  Then you can make a judgement based on how long you want that payback to be in drinks.

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+1  I have a 2 group with a 6L boiler.  Compared to other machines it will handle 200 espressos per hour.  My machine tho is a VFA machine which is out of date and is no longer made.

New I would go with a Rancilio Epoca S2 Group    According to the site it can handle 240 espressos per hour.  Rancilio is a good brand name and $5,000 for a 2 group commercial machine is a good price.

Sorry I didn't see that you were looking at only making 120 drinks a day.  A 1 group like this will do the trick. Click.

For some more info on how to run a small shop read this. It has all the info you will need.
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Posted Thu May 2, 2013, 2:37pm
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GVDub Said:

While I appreciate your desire to open your own shop, with the very limited amount of experience you currently have, it's almost doomed to failure. My suggestion would be to go get a job working in somebody else's shop for a while, paying careful attention to how the business works while you're refining the art and craft of being a barista. Do that, and you'll know the answers to your questions and be much more ready to open and run a successful shop of your own.

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Thank you, i appreciate your advice but i've the place (3 months so far), the bar, the staff (with 3-4 years of experience, coffee, tables, chairs, suppliers, equipment, etc.) I know i have no experience with coffee, but i learn fast, and my staff know about the business. Here, it's a little different, people go to a coffee shop because they like the place, not the coffee and that's sad, the regular coffee it's always burnt, or tastes weird, the same thing with cappuccinos, lattes, etc. There are other cafes owners who do not have much knowledge and yet people visit them because they're pretty and nice. You use pour drip, french press, siphon coffee, etc. we're not used to that (i'll have it at the coffee shop). I want to do things right: a fresh cup of joe anytime, a pretty place and delicious desserts. Maybe I expect too much, but it's a good project (at least here): freshly ground coffee with baklava, tiramisu, cheesecake, brownies, etc. That's why i asked for help :), maybe you can't understand me, but it's annoying not have a really good place for coffee in your town.
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Posted Thu May 2, 2013, 2:47pm
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Burner0000 Said:

+1  I have a 2 group with a 6L boiler.  Compared to other machines it will handle 200 espressos per hour.  My machine tho is a VFA machine which is out of date and is no longer made.

New I would go with a Rancilio Epoca S2 Group    According to the site it can handle 240 espressos per hour.  Rancilio is a good brand name and $5,000 for a 2 group commercial machine is a good price.

Sorry I didn't see that you were looking at only making 120 drinks a day.  A 1 group like this will do the trick. Click.

For some more info on how to run a small shop read this. It has all the info you will need.
Click

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Thank you!, i'll check it!
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Posted Thu May 2, 2013, 4:06pm
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guavis Said:

Thanks, i read that i can have the best machine but if the grinder doesn't work well i won't have a nice shot. Roasters near me... i guess i forgot to mention that im from Ensenada, Mexico so i can buy from some roasters in veracruz, chiapas, etc (here in mexico but too far) or go to san diego(more easy for me) like 2-3 hours away, but i don't know which one could be the best for my needs, i read about bird rock coffee but i don't know :(

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Bird Rock in San Diego is pretty good, but that is a long way to travel to get beans. You really only want to have 1-2 weeks worth at a time. If shipping from the US is an option, then you have many potential choices.
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