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Alonzo
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Posted Tue May 14, 2013, 10:56am
Subject: ECM Giotto?
 

Hi guys,

Actually, I'm shopping around the machine and can find a couple of Giotto machines on the market. But just notice that their design is slightly different.
The one has full moon gauge and the other one has the half moon gauge. Which one is newer model than the other? I also notice that neither of them is currently on sale as a brand new since both of them are discontinued and ECM(Rocket) is selling an upgraded version(don't know what they upgraded though).
Can anybody let me know the difference and detail?

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Alonzo
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Posted Tue May 14, 2013, 10:57am
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Another one

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Posted Tue May 14, 2013, 12:17pm
Subject: Re: ECM Giotto?
 

I believe the second picture you posted was the first Giotto from the '90s to early 2000's.  the older Giotto's have the steam and hot water wands attached to the front of the machine.   The first picture was the ECM Giotto sold from early 2000's to late 2000's before Rocket Espresso took over the line.
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Posted Tue May 14, 2013, 12:22pm
Subject: Re: ECM Giotto?
 

while I can't tell you item by item the differences, they are basically the same machine inside. I suspect there is more to do with looks than performance. The biggest thing inside that you might find is that one has a vibe pump and the other has a rotary pump. Of the two, the rotary is the "better" pump though vibe pumps work well too.

As for parts, most parts inside are "off the shelf". Most of the parts can have more than one maker that will fit and there are several parts houses that can look up what you may need.

My deepest feeling is that looks more than anything else may be the difference. Some are plumb in only and some have internal tank only (pour over) and yet others have the ability to do both. You need to get the specs of each you are looking at and then look at them side by side. You need model numbers to do this. Where are you looking at these machines? The sellers should be able to give you the information.

 
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Posted Tue May 14, 2013, 3:00pm
Subject: Re: ECM Giotto?
 

Thanks a lot both of you for your answers.
I guess the 'later one' has the rotary pump and the early version has the vibe but not sure. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Let me ask the seller about the model number. It seems that the seller doesn't know when it's manufactured. How do I know how old it is if there is no way to find the manufacture date? Even for the later model it has been sold for almost 10 years. And for the quality of the machine as per the review here, it seems that it works pretty well.
Sorry for too many questions.
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Posted Tue May 14, 2013, 3:22pm
Subject: Re: ECM Giotto?
 

Both of those machines in the picture have vibe pumps.  Rocket introduced the rotary pump on the Evoluzione model after they took over ECMs line of home machines.

Parts should be readily available for the later Giotto model (the first picture).  The models share many parts with today's Rocket line.  I would be more concerned about how the machine has been maintained.  If it's been regularly backflushed and descaled, a Giotto will last a long time.
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Posted Tue May 14, 2013, 3:37pm
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Got it.
Thanks a lot!
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Posted Wed May 15, 2013, 6:07pm
Subject: Re: ECM Giotto?
 

Of the two in the pictures, The second is the older one, Dsblv is probably right with the dates, but certainly right about the lineage.  Both of the ones in the pictures are pour-over, reservoir machines (You can tell by the lid over the reservoir in the pictures, 2 big holes) without the plumb-in option (Unless a previous owner has modified it). I would guess that both are vibrating pump machines, unless modified by previous owner.  The "Premium" models, with the rotary pumps (all/almost all?) have a second gauge for pump pressure in my experience.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Posted Wed May 15, 2013, 6:13pm
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I don't know if your correct about the first picture being the oldest. I bought my Giotto in 2002 or 2003. it was definitely the same model as the second picture.
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