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JaniceAnn
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Posted Sat May 18, 2013, 7:32am
Subject: Izzo Alex II HX on Sale or Mini Vivaldi II?
 

I was just on the Chris' Coffee website and saw that this Deal of the Week is the Alex II at a discount of $245, making it $1750.

At its regular price of $1995 it was just barely within my price limit.

I am wondering about buying it as opposed to the Mini Vivaldi II which is currently $1995.

Any opinions on these machines?

I know that one is an HX and one is a Double Boiler.

Thanks for your help!
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Posted Sat May 18, 2013, 8:01am
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JaniceAnn Said:

I was just on the Chris' Coffee website and saw that this Deal of the Week is the Alex II at a discount of $245, making it $1750.

At its regular price of $1995 it was just barely within my price limit.

I am wondering about buying it as opposed to the Mini Vivaldi II which is currently $1995.

Any opinions on these machines?

I know that one is an HX and one is a Double Boiler.

Thanks for your help!

Posted May 18, 2013 link

I have the same question pretty much.. Hold out for a double boiler machine or get this Alex II with PID? My only concern with the HX was temperature consistency, but with the PID I can get a handle on brew temp easier.
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Posted Sat May 18, 2013, 8:11am
Subject: Re: Izzo Alex II HX on Sale or Mini Vivaldi II?
 

I was thinking that if I got the Alex, I would add the brew head thermometer for another $110.  It would still be less than the machine at its regular price.

I really like both machines but my husband likes the Mini Vivaldi better.  He likes the fact that it can be programmed and that it has the water tank in the front so it is easier to access.

I like the double wall case, the ability to use the tank or plumb in and the stainless steel frame of the Alex.

I hate to mention it but I would normally use my Breville Milk Cafe to froth my milk for my cappuccinos and occasionally use the steam arm for lattes which I don't drink as often.

I am not sure that really makes any difference as both machines should steam well.
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cuznvin
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Posted Sat May 18, 2013, 8:18am
Subject: Re: Izzo Alex II HX on Sale or Mini Vivaldi II?
 

JaniceAnn Said:

I was thinking that if I got the Alex, I would add the brew head thermometer for another $110.  It would still be less than the machine at its regular price.

I really like both machines but my husband likes the Mini Vivaldi better.  He likes the fact that it can be programmed and that it has the water tank in the front so it is easier to access.

I like the double wall case, the ability to use the tank or plumb in and the stainless steel frame of the Alex.

I hate to mention it but I would normally use my Breville Milk Cafe to froth my milk for my cappuccinos and occasionally use the steam arm for lattes which I don't drink as often.

I am not sure that really makes any difference as both machines should steam well.

Posted May 18, 2013 link

You also have the case of rotary vs vibe pump.... 53 vs 58 mm portafilter
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Posted Sat May 18, 2013, 8:28am
Subject: Re: Izzo Alex II HX on Sale or Mini Vivaldi II?
 

Buy the one you like the looks of best.
A DB is not better than a HX , just different. Both make outstanding espresso .
A PID on a HX is worthless unless you just like a digital readout, as for control of temps, it is no better than a pstat.
A HX is much more flexible in use shot to shot to make small changes in brew temp but a DB is easier for less trained people to use,
Either way, quality machines will help to make outstanding espresso, paired with a great grinder (which is more important than machine design) either setup will do you proud after you learn to use it.

Plumb in and volumetric dosing are great features that are hard to not have after you use them.

 
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Posted Sat May 18, 2013, 8:37am
Subject: Re: Izzo Alex II HX on Sale or Mini Vivaldi II?
 

If you add on the timer and the preinfusion chamber to the Mini it becomes a $2300 machine.
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Posted Sat May 18, 2013, 8:40am
Subject: Re: Izzo Alex II HX on Sale or Mini Vivaldi II?
 

calblacksmith Said:

Buy the one you like the looks of best.
A DB is not better than a HX , just different. Both make outstanding espresso .
A PID on a HX is worthless unless you just like a digital readout, as for control of temps, it is no better than a pstat.
A HX is much more flexible in use shot to shot to make small changes in brew temp but a DB is easier for less trained people to use,
Either way, quality machines will help to make outstanding espresso, paired with a great grinder (which is more important than machine design) either setup will do you proud after you learn to use it.

Plumb in and volumetric dosing are great features that are hard to not have after you use them.

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Thats why I was considering the musica for its volumetric dosing. Wouldnt the PID give me a better idea of brew temps? Say I knew at 255 brew temp was 203 and at 252 brew temp was 201.. wouldnt that be easier than guessing? I dont like the short shot distance on the mini..
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Posted Sat May 18, 2013, 8:43am
Subject: Re: Izzo Alex II HX on Sale or Mini Vivaldi II?
 

cuznvin Said:

Thats why I was considering the musica for its volumetric dosing. Wouldnt the PID give me a better idea of brew temps? Say I knew at 255 brew temp was 203 and at 252 brew temp was 201.. wouldnt that be easier than guessing? I dont like the short shot distance on the mini..

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Cooling flushes are how you get to the brew temp you want on a HX whether it is PID or PS controlled.
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Posted Sat May 18, 2013, 8:43am
Subject: Re: Izzo Alex II HX on Sale or Mini Vivaldi II?
 

If I buy the Mini Vivaldi II from Clive Coffee, they give a $75 gift certificate which would cover all but $5.00 of the cost of the preinfusion chamber.  I am not sure that I need it anyway.  On the Mini Vivaldi I don't think it can be programmed or shut off.

I wasn't thinking about buying the timer.  I am up before my husband and can turn the machine on to start heating up so that it is ready when he is.

On the Alex II the PID shows the boiler temperature and not the temperature at the brew head which is why I was considering the brew group thermometer.  I think the Mini Vivaldi has temperature settings for the brew head.
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Posted Sat May 18, 2013, 8:46am
Subject: Re: Izzo Alex II HX on Sale or Mini Vivaldi II?
 

JaniceAnn Said:

If I buy the Mini Vivaldi II from Clive Coffee, they give a $75 gift certificate which would cover all but $5.00 of the cost of the preinfusion chamber.  I am not sure that I need it anyway.  On the Mini Vivaldi I don't think it can be programmed or shut off.

I wasn't thinking about buying the timer.  I am up before my husband and can turn the machine on to start heating up so that it is ready when he is.

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Once the chamber is on there, preinfusion is "on" all the time
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