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Posted Mon May 20, 2013, 8:11am
Subject: Re: Izzo Alex II HX on Sale or Mini Vivaldi II?
 

If i was buying a Vivaldi Mini i would add the preinfusion chamber. The mini uses a dedicated timer not your typical timer you can purchase at hardware stores.

Several vendors sell the Silvano and Vario, my experience is that some vendors more then others will discount the equipment if you call and ask. Others offer gift certificates but not discount the machines, some vendors will not discount but will offer you a startup gift of cups, tamper etc.

Also look at service after the sale, the vendors return policy in case your not happy with your purchase, some charge a restocking fee and reimbursement of the cost to ship you the equip and you have to pay shipping back, this can add up. Some do not charge a restocking fee but you still pay the shipping back and their cost to ship the items to you.

If i was buying i would consider: Chris Coffee service, Clives Coffee, Stefano espresso care.
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Posted Mon May 20, 2013, 8:28am
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I looked at Stefano's and the Vibiemme machines.  Those look nice!

Would I have to add the timer to the Mini Vivaldi if I prefer to turn the machine on and off by hand?  I realize that it is going to take some time to come up to temperature and would
need to be turned on a while before I expect to be able to brew.

I had been looking at Chris Coffee Service and Clives Coffee but hadn't known about Stefano's.

Thanks for mentioning that.
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Posted Mon May 20, 2013, 8:39am
Subject: Re: Izzo Alex II HX on Sale or Mini Vivaldi II?
 

Machines need 45min to an hour to become thermally stable. The boiler will com to temp in a few minutes but then that needs to warm the group and plumbing to stable temps. You can hands on while the machine warms up by flushing water through the group, I have had acceptable shots in 20 minutes of warm up by doing this.
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Posted Mon May 20, 2013, 10:08am
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You own my dream machine, the Duetto III.

So I can speed up the warm up of the whole works by flushing water through the group?  Do you do this more than once as the boiler is heating up?

Could you do the same thing on an HX machine?  

I hate to ask dumb questions, but I really know so little about the nuances of espresso machines.
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Posted Mon May 20, 2013, 10:27am
Subject: Re: Izzo Alex II HX on Sale or Mini Vivaldi II?
 

JaniceAnn Said:

You own my dream machine, the Duetto III.

So I can speed up the warm up of the whole works by flushing water through the group?  Do you do this more than once as the boiler is heating up?

Could you do the same thing on an HX machine?  

I hate to ask dumb questions, but I really know so little about the nuances of espresso machines.

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The idea is to get the hot water to heat the group, plumbing, and PF up to a temp so it is not robbing heat from the brew water when making a shot.  This will work on any machine, how much flushing is more then once, maybe 10 times, in the end is it is no where near as good as just letting the machine warm up on its own.

The Duetto 3 is not far out of your price range, I like it very much, this is where a phone call to a vendor can answer what you will really pay for it. I still use it on the tank, not the easiest reservoir to fill when under cabs but a beer bong funnel makes it easier and the machine does not need to be moved using one.
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Posted Mon May 20, 2013, 11:22am
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I am going to be out in my garden for a while, but I did want to ask if it might be better, and if it is possible, to talk directly with Chris?  Might it be better to have my husband talk
with him as i think sometimes men are better at negotiating?

I don't know that Chris would be able to come down to $2000 as that seems quite a large discount, but it wouldn't hurt to ask.

Thanks!
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Posted Mon May 20, 2013, 11:30am
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Just found out a local roaster will be getting the Nuova Simonelli Machines in! First retailer on long island to sell espresso machines! I will be able to demo it in 2 weeks.

You can call CCS and ask to talk to chris....You can also email him...
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Posted Mon May 20, 2013, 11:45am
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I've never spoken to Chris, but I have exchanged email with him.  Like you say...it doesn't hurt to ask.  I wouldn't ever imagine that it would upset him.

 
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Posted Mon May 20, 2013, 6:55pm
Subject: Re: Izzo Alex II HX on Sale or Mini Vivaldi II?
 

My vote is for the Vivaldi. I really like the Mini Vivaldi. I think they are built solid and get a great following with a lot of satisfied customers. I doubt coffee would be worse or better on any of the choices you are considering.

If you really like the Alex III, I would go for it. These machines can last 10-15 years easy, you want to make sure you get what you want. What is the difference in price split between say 6-7 years?

You can always upgrade the grinder next year or buy something used to hold you over for a few months. Also that would give you time to research. Picking a machine and a grinder at the same time are two big decisions (IMHO).

Those are my 2c
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Posted Tue May 21, 2013, 3:58am
Subject: Re: Izzo Alex II HX on Sale or Mini Vivaldi II?
 

hello again, do take some time out in your garden get away from the internet and get away from the discussion board. Do some soul searching think about what it is you really want and what features you really need. Until you have come to a comfortable place with what it is you desire , you're going to be overwhelmed with all of the choices.

The truth is any machine in this price range is going to be more then you would ever need to upgrade from for a very long time. They all will make quality espresso with a good Grinder.

Like I said before, take a deep breath wonder around your garden, look at the flowers, and think about where you want to go from here. You can confuse yourself to no end with all the options, vibrating pumps or rotary pump, single boiler mishine dual boiler machine heat exchanger machine, stainless steel, and on and on and on.

Like I said make a list of your most desired features, then shop to that list and your price point like I said again, any machine you're looking at is a quality machine and it's all about personal preference it this point. You're not going to be finding a perfect machine, they don't exist.

Good luck in your search and I do wish you well,.

 
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