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pmaru77
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Joined: 21 Nov 2008
Posts: 59
Location: San Diego
Expertise: I love coffee

Grinder: Maestro Plus
Vac Pot: Yama
Drip: KRUPS 4 cup (Melitta #2)
Roaster: Behmor Roaster
Posted Wed May 22, 2013, 3:29pm
Subject: Please don't laugh!
 

My wife wanted me to get a new drip machine because my Krups (4 cupper) was gettin' ugly.  I picked up a Mr Coffee cheap and used it today, and it's in the garage for good, until next garage sale.  What a crappy cup it made.

So I'm fixing to get me a machine to at least make a good cup of java and once in awhile espresso.  My usage is 3 cups a day and I need to make single cups, not pots.  

My first and last glance brings me to looking at the Gaggia Baby or the Classic.  I've researched before and these seem ok for my needs. But what is the major difference between the two?  All I need to do is make a good cup of coffee 3 or 4 times a day.

I do have a halfway decent grinder, Maestro Plus, and a Boehmer Roaster and a good supply of greenies.  I know the Plus is not the best for espresso, but espresso is not my objective, but a once in a while shot..here and there.  I can experiment with the grinder and espresso making in my spare time.

Looking for a good latte and a reasonable shot.    Gagga Baby or Classic?   I know there are other things out there, but trying to not make too much of a analysis study here.

Anyone want to give it a shot!?
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D4F
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Joined: 15 Mar 2012
Posts: 1,981
Location: USA
Expertise: I like coffee

Espresso: Gaggia Classic PID
Grinder: Baratza Forte-AP
Posted Wed May 22, 2013, 3:48pm
Subject: Re: Please don't laugh!
 

Classic is the better machine.  The Baby does not have adjustable OPV, at not easily adjustable if at all, and has more plastic. Both have 3 Way, but you probably knew that from search/research.  The note on this page also got my attention about leaks and repair on Baby.

http://www.partsguru.com/GaggiaBabyClassandTwinBaby.html

You will have trouble with espresso without a better grinder, the least expensive I believe is Baratza Preciso refurb for $239 and about $10 - $15 shipping.  See Baratza.com, refurb, with starting availability Thursday am's until sold out.

The grinder is an issue even with

pmaru77 Said:

I know the Plus is not the best for espresso, but espresso is not my objective, but a once in a while shot..here and there.  I can experiment with the grinder and espresso making in my spare time.

Looking for a good latte and a reasonable shot.    Gagga Baby or Classic?   I know there are other things out there, but trying to not make too much of a analysis study here.

Anyone want to give it a shot!?

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You are willing to buy an espresso machine and not a grinder....  You may not get your good shot, and there, I gave it a shot  :)

 
D4F also at
http://www.gaggiausersgroup.com/
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RoyceRuiz
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Joined: 31 Mar 2012
Posts: 116
Location: San Francisco, CA
Expertise: I live coffee

Posted Wed May 22, 2013, 4:21pm
Subject: Re: Please don't laugh!
 

I'm trying to understand exactly what you want.  Do you want regular coffee and espresso occasionally?  Or do you want espresso drinks (latte, americano) and straight espresso shots occasionally?  Neither of the two Gaggia machines make brewed coffee (as in drip style coffee), they only make espresso.  If you only want espresso and espresso drinks the Classic will be much better but as a previous post said you really won't get an ok shot with your grinder.  Technically Baratza replaced that grinder with the Encore so you could grind fine enough for espresso.  Really the Preciso is the bottom I would recommend for espresso.  If you want regular coffee then you will need either a drip machine (I recommend the Behmor Brazen) or better yet brew via a manual brew method.  Your grinder should be great for most manual brew methods or a drip machine.
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strawberrykoi
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strawberrykoi
Joined: 11 Oct 2012
Posts: 43
Location: USA
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto 3,...
Grinder: baratza vario, Hario...
Drip: chemex
Roaster: whirly pop
Posted Wed May 22, 2013, 6:13pm
Subject: Re: Please don't laugh!
 

Aeropress.

I'm not a fan of the baby or the classic, but I'm an all or nothing kind of gal. Almost any machine under $1000 takes a lot of skillz to pull a "good" shot.
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CMIN
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Joined: 14 Jun 2012
Posts: 1,356
Location: South FL
Expertise: I like coffee

Espresso: Crossland CC1
Grinder: Baratza Preciso
Posted Wed May 22, 2013, 6:18pm
Subject: Re: Please don't laugh!
 

Agree, theres no point in getting an espresso machine w/o a better grinder, the Maestro is no where near capable for espresso except for maybe a pressurized portafilter except thats not real espresso, just fake crema and taste like an underextracted shot of drip lol.

Preciso is the bare minimum for grinders capable of  grinding correctly and consistently for espresso, along with acting basically stepless so almost infinite adjustment ( hugely important for espresso).

If you want to keep that grinder you could get an Aeropress or even Moka pot for something different yet still great.
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Coffeenoobie
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Location: PNW
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Espresso: N S Oscar
Grinder: K30 & Vario W
Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 6:05am
Subject: Re: Please don't laugh!
 

Grinder, Grinder, Grinder.

 
Coffeenoobie

Buying advice: GRINDER GRINDER GRINDER. Don't cheap out on the grinder.

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Oscar trick out: http://s156.photobucket.com/user/GandBteam/story/14231
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PJK
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PJK
Joined: 21 Jan 2002
Posts: 2,317
Location: Shingle Springs CA
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Rancillo Silvia, Tonic...
Grinder: Modified Rocky, Elma side...
Vac Pot: Old Silex
Drip: Melitta BCM 4  +Some old...
Roaster: Hottop, Modified Z&D,...
Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 9:49am
Subject: Re: Please don't laugh!
 

I don't want to discourage you from getting into espresso but if you love your old drip-per start watching eBay and the thrifts for a Melitta  BCM-4.  They are little cheapies but mine faired well against a mighty TV in a brew-off.  You do have to remember to turn it off after brewing or it will burn the coffee. Also the shower is a bit of a pain to clean.  It is no TV but it is cheap and will rival the TV if you learn to deal with its little irritants. Hopefully your wife won't brand it as ugly.  Ugly is in the eye of the beholder and I like mine.

Phil

pmaru77 Said:

My wife wanted me to get a new drip machine because my Krups (4 cupper) was gettin' ugly.  I picked up a Mr Coffee cheap and used it today, and it's in the garage for good, until next garage sale.  What a crappy cup it made.

So I'm fixing to get me a machine to at least make a good cup of java and once in awhile espresso.  My usage is 3 cups a day and I need to make single cups, not pots.  

My first and last glance brings me to looking at the Gaggia Baby or the Classic.  I've researched before and these seem ok for my needs. But what is the major difference between the two?  All I need to do is make a good cup of coffee 3 or 4 times a day.

I do have a halfway decent grinder, Maestro Plus, and a Boehmer Roaster and a good supply of greenies.  I know the Plus is not the best for espresso, but espresso is not my objective, but a once in a while shot..here and there.  I can experiment with the grinder and espresso making in my spare time.

Looking for a good latte and a reasonable shot.    Gagga Baby or Classic?   I know there are other things out there, but trying to not make too much of a analysis study here.

Anyone want to give it a shot!?

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pmaru77
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Joined: 21 Nov 2008
Posts: 59
Location: San Diego
Expertise: I love coffee

Grinder: Maestro Plus
Vac Pot: Yama
Drip: KRUPS 4 cup (Melitta #2)
Roaster: Behmor Roaster
Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 11:17am
Subject: Re: Please don't laugh!
 

Uhhhh!  I'm getting De ja vu all over again.  I think I beat this to death 3 years ago before I bought my roaster.  I agree the Maestro Plus adjustment sucks as far as fine tuning.  I just canot get over how complicated it si to make espresso.  I'm not an experieced espresso person, in fact, the only e cup I remember being any good was when I was in Brazil.  The e from a local coffee shop is pretty bad usually. I've yet had a good cup of espresso in town.  I guess I'm not ready to commit yet until I know what it takes to satisfy.  I have to find someone/somewhere localvthat can do it right.

Can someone do a list of the most important steps in making the perfect espresso?   And what makes a perfect espresso?  My tastebuds are delicate, as I cannot stand Starbucks americana, and the espresso is not the greatest.

Bean quality, grind, water, temp, pressure, etc.
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Intrepid510
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Joined: 30 Dec 2010
Posts: 355
Location: California
Expertise: I love coffee

Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 11:30am
Subject: Re: Please don't laugh!
 

San Diego is big, but if you can try to make to Bird Rock Coffee. That should give you an idea of what most people here consider good coffee/espresso.

The Maestro, even with it's adjustment steps might not ever get fine enough to make espresso regardless. So you might as well put that one on the back burner.

Get yourself a 2 cup Melitta plastic cone or a Clever Dripper and start from there.

 
Less water, more grounds.
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brianl
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Joined: 1 Dec 2012
Posts: 441
Location: Chicago IL
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Gaggia Classic (w/PID)
Grinder: Baratza Vario
Drip: chemex
Posted Thu May 23, 2013, 11:35am
Subject: Re: Please don't laugh!
 

I agree that your best bet is an aeropress. Can do single 'cups' and is easy to clean to do back to back 'cups'. You wouldn't even need another grinder.
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