SStones Senior Member Joined: 24 Nov 2012 Posts: 476 Location: Canada Expertise: Professional
Espresso: Giga 5, ECM Giotto, Rocket... Grinder: Anfim Milano-Best Vac Pot: No :( Drip: Some $30 thing from Walmart Roaster: I buy pre-roasted.
Posted Sun Jun 16, 2013, 9:15am Subject: Re: Buying advice for single group machine for gourmet coffee (GS3/ Rocket R58)
If you're really envisioning using the machine for the whole season at 100 preparations or more a day, the home-use models, even when rated as a "Semi-commercial type" are going to be operating at five to ten times their expected requirement. Do you plan to just close when the machine dies? Are you hoping to have made enough profit to have covered the cost of the machine and the business and call it a success? Are you able to diagnose and repair the machine on site, and plan to have parts available? Seeing as ou're spending half the price of a real machine by running a business on a non-commercial machine, you could have a second machine as a back-up to switch to when one is being serviced. Unless the business is going to survive off of the sales of other items when you're maintaining the poor machine. I don't mean to rain on your parade, I'm just picturing people who make the mistake of thinking they're going to start their own roofing business and all they need is the smallest, cheapest pick-up truck they can find. When three days out of every week are spent trying to maintain your tools, you're never going to get ahead. I look after all my extended family's and in-law's espresso machines. An R58 needs enough attention when it's only servicing a family of 5 (Especially when one of the five is adjusting the relief valve himself, because he's sure the grind is correct, it was perfect last month when the weather wasn't humid). Now I'm starting to ramble, I'll shut up. I do wish you luck. A pair of used machines might be a wiser investment for a plan to work them to death.
Posted Mon Jun 17, 2013, 10:07am Subject: Re: Buying advice for single group machine for gourmet coffee (GS3/ Rocket R58)
IMO, this is not a question that can be answered with a consumer state of mind. This is a business decision, which requires some compromises. If it was me, I would choose the machine that a local restaurant supplier can service and exchange. I would not buy the machine but rent it, and include the expense in the revenue model I have. Only you can do the math on how much you can spare on your income/investment to pay for the machine(s). Wanting to serve the best espresso ever is very noble, but it has a cost if you plan on being able to welcome clients everyday, rain or shine, with the exact same coffee they liked the week before.
So to answer your question with a different perspective, I would not choose any of the machines you suggest :-)
RichardCoffee Senior Member Joined: 2 Dec 2010 Posts: 120 Location: Long Beach Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: gaggia baby twin, mini... Grinder: fiorenzato pietro 63mm,... Roaster: weber grill with rk drum
Posted Mon Jun 17, 2013, 10:19am Subject: Re: Buying advice for single group machine for gourmet coffee (GS3/ Rocket R58)
The Vivaldi meets all your needs. In fact, you could buy 2 for the price of the GS3 - maybe a plumbed in and a mini and use the mini as a standby for emergencies. Then you'd still have money left over for that extra grinder.
Symbols: = New Posts since your last visit = No New Posts since last visit = Newest post
Forum Rules: No profanity, illegal acts or personal attacks will be tolerated in these discussion boards. No commercial posting of any nature will be tolerated; only private sales by private individuals, in the "Buy and Sell" forum. No SEO style postings will be tolerated. SEO related posts will result in immediate ban from CoffeeGeek. No cross posting allowed - do not post your topic to more than one forum, nor repost a topic to the same forum. Who Can Read The Forum? Anyone can read posts in these discussion boards. Who Can Post New Topics? Any registered CoffeeGeek member can post new topics. Who Can Post Replies? Any registered CoffeeGeek member can post replies. Can Photos be posted? Anyone can post photos in their new topics or replies. Who can change or delete posts? Any CoffeeGeek member can edit their own posts. Only moderators can delete posts. Probationary Period: If you are a new signup for CoffeeGeek, you cannot promote, endorse, criticise or otherwise post an unsolicited endorsement for any company, product or service in your first five postings.