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tglodjo
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Posted Sun Jun 16, 2013, 4:41pm
Subject: Breville Oracle - Anyone know anything?
 

After reading several SCAA reports from this year, many highlighted a new machine from Breville called the Oracle. Now I know Breville's overall reputation on these forums, but since that reputation started to change with the release of the BDB, I'm excited to see more on the Oracle.

Anyone know anything about this machine and any timeframe for its release?
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Posted Sun Jun 16, 2013, 7:56pm
Subject: Re: Breville Oracle - Anyone know anything?
 

The BES 980:
Click Here (www.current.com.au)
So automatic grind and tamp is tacked on to a BDB.  
The BES 920 (presumably BES 920XL for North American markets) is the BDB replacement.
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Posted Sun Jun 16, 2013, 9:26pm
Subject: Re: Breville Oracle - Anyone know anything?
 

thanks for the link. will give this to a friend who is also asking for the same.

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Posted Mon Jun 17, 2013, 4:52am
Subject: Re: Breville Oracle - Anyone know anything?
 

Here is some info... sounds interesting.

http://sprudge.com/product-update-update.html
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Posted Mon Jun 17, 2013, 5:18am
Subject: Re: Breville Oracle - Anyone know anything?
 

Think the Oracle is meant to compete against the Superautos, which in that regard many buy in the 1k-2k+ range and basically they all suck, majorily. Oracle from what was said so far is for the people who want more of an automated setup, but as well as pimp slapping the current Superautos lol.
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Posted Mon Jun 17, 2013, 6:43am
Subject: Re: Breville Oracle - Anyone know anything?
 

DeanOK Said:

Here is some info... sounds interesting.

http://sprudge.com/product-update-update.html

Posted June 17, 2013 link

Thanks for the link. That was actually the only article I had found about it and it had me intrigued.


CMIN Said:

Think the Oracle is meant to compete against the Superautos, which in that regard many buy in the 1k-2k+ range and basically they all suck, majorily. Oracle from what was said so far is for the people who want more of an automated setup, but as well as pimp slapping the current Superautos lol.

Posted June 17, 2013 link

I finally got that after reading more, and it definitely has deterred me from waiting on it. Since the BDB sort of redefined Breville's space in prosumer espresso, I was hoping this was the same, just a step up with a LM Swift-like grinder built in. Now that I know it's meant to compete with super autos, I'm uninterested.

I did, however, find this video with Scottie Callaghan doing latte art on it. https://vimeo.com/68080597
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Posted Wed Jan 15, 2014, 10:42pm
Subject: Re: Breville Oracle - Anyone know anything?
 

Just got back into espresso after owning an S1 and Mazzer E Mini that I sold about 2 years ago when I moved to my new home.  My wife and I both like espresso but she had no interest in learning how to grind, tamp and pull a shot and we were concerned that we would not have counter space in our newer home's smaller kitchen.

We were both missing having an espresso in the morning or evening without having to go out to a coffee shop.  I didn't want to spend the kind of money I had put in the former setup and did not want to try and plumb in a system through our new granite counter tops but I still wanted a dual boiler because we prefer cappuccinos and lattes.  After reading a lot of reviews on the Breville 9BES900XL/B and the Baratza Forte AP I decided to purchase these two units.  I was able to get a 20% discount from Williams Sonoma on the 900XL and picked it up last Sunday and ordered an overnight shipment of the Forte.  Using pre-ground coffee from Illy I tried out the 900 XL knowing that it was a worst case while I was waiting for the grinder and fresh beans I had ordered.  On Monday, I read the first article on the Oscar and watched the videos on line and I was very impressed for three reasons.  First, the 900XL had impressed me as being a very decent machine for the money and the company's CS response was very impressive.  Second, I was always impressed by the LM Swift grinder and the notion of an affordable grinder that was easy to dial in and provided auto dosing and tamping was really impressive since the entire machine was less than half the price of the LM Swift alone (yes, I know they aren't comparable in build quality).  The third and biggest reason was that here was a machine that could produce high quality espresso and foamed milk that my wife could use on her own with very little instruction.  I travel a fair amount and she used to have to wait until I was back to get an espresso at home.  With this machine she would be able to make her own when I was traveling.

I read everything I could find and learned that the only place to buy it was directly from Breville USA.  As it turns out, Breville USA is located in Torrance, CA just a few miles from my home in San Clemente, CA.  I went on line and placed an order on Tuesday and picked it up today at the Fedex ship center.  After setting it up, I ran into my first problem in that the unit would not heat above 157 degrees.  I called CS and they asked if I was using distilled or RO water, naturally, I was using RO water as that is what I have in my kitchen.  My whole house has a water softener and very large charcoal filter system and the kitchen sink has RO water for drinking.  He has me empty the water tank and refill it with tap water and reset the machine.  Once done, the unit promptly heated right up.  It took about pound of Vivace Dolce for me to dial in the grind setting but boy having the automated dower and tamper is really sweet!  It is so quick and easy and the least messy system I have owned by far.  I think the shots I was pulling were among the best I have ever pulled and far better than I ever got from the S1 Vivladi and min E Mazzer combo.  The counter space is minimal and there are just too many nice features to cover them all.  I haven't decided whether I should use the default timer method for shots or the volumetric and it can be set for either way.  The new machine takes a small foot print on my counter since I don't need a separate grinder.  While it is still early in my usage, having a 2 year warranty and the company just up the road and very impressive customer service are all pluses from my viewpoint.  The milk frothed is also very impressive and while I think I can manually do a slightly better job, the automation is impressive.  One can do a manual if desired and you have a built in thermometer.  I realize the real experts don't need the thermometer but those of us with lesser skills don't wind up scorching the milk which was easy to do with the S1.

I look forward to the fact that it will be easy to obtain consistent quality drinks which is always the challenge for those that don't do this for a living 8 hours a day.

 
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Posted Thu Jan 16, 2014, 1:13am
Subject: Re: Breville Oracle - Anyone know anything?
 

I'm confused. ..


By the end of your post it sounds like your talking about a 980XL however you explicitly indicated you purchased a 900XL along with a Forte grinder.

So which one do you own?
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Posted Thu Jan 16, 2014, 4:52am
Subject: Re: Breville Oracle - Anyone know anything?
 

Whichever it is, I wish him luck and that he not need that wonderful CS, in MHO the BDB did not redefine the makers position in prosumer market, rather it confermed that they make home appliances, not quality equipment and now they are entering the SA market.... but like always YMMV

 
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Posted Thu Jan 16, 2014, 6:17am
Subject: Re: Breville Oracle - Anyone know anything?
 

z0mbie Said:

I'm confused. ..


By the end of your post it sounds like your talking about a 980XL however you explicitly indicated you purchased a 900XL along with a Forte grinder.

So which one do you own?

Posted January 16, 2014 link

Sorry for the confusion.  I did order and obtain the 980XL and I am returning the 900XL.  The latter part of my post is about the 980XL.

It seems funny to me that there is this snobbery against the Breville dual boiler machines when I can read post after post about problems with high end Italian made machines as well as machines made in other countries in Europe.  It reminds me of the snobbery on the Leica forum where they make fun of "lesser" cameras and yet there are so many posts of problems with the very expensive Leica M 240, M9 and M8s and the expensive lenses being out of calibration.  Those are cameras that cost 3 and 4 times what the Fuji's, Olympus' and Sony's cost and the Leica's use much older technology.

Whether the 980XL will out last some other machine is difficult to say but I haven't read of other company's providing the level of customer support that Breville is providing and as an engineer, looking at their design, it appears to be elegant and extremely functional.  I don't expect more.  If it breaks and they take care of it quickly, then I will be satisfied.

 
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