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males149
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Posted Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:34am
Subject: Update: another newbie. with answers from your standard 6!
 

1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's capabilities.)

I like lattes, hubby likes double shots and allongés.

2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at any one time? (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's ability to work continuously.)

Mostly 4: two shots for hubby, and my lattes.

3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's durability.)

28-40.

4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pour over machine with its own reservoir?

Not in my plans though we could.

5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit?

15 amps

6)  What is your budget for a new machine?  Does that also include a grinder?  If not, what is your budget for a grinder?

Less than 500$can for the machine (hopefully 400).
Grinder 150, will try to find used. Current grinder not up to par...

7)  Are you willing to buy used or do you need new equipment? Do you or family member have the skills to repair used equipment?

I'd like to buy new but am open to used but don't want to mess with buying used from anywhere but Canada (duties, postage, etc)

8)  Do you have the essential accessories (decent tamper, knockbox, the works), otherwise budget about $100 for these.

Nope, will have to buy.


Currently in my list:

Breville Infuser (840xl)
Saeco Via Venezia
Mokita Creme (or its generic sibling the Avanti Capri).

Bear in mind I'm a new mom: I like a good cup but am open to SOME work. Don't have 15 minutes to devote to coffeemaking every morning. Not looking at capsules because of ecological factor. Not looking at super autos because of financial factors.

Thanks.
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johnboddie
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Espresso: MCAL, Brasilia Mini Classic,...
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Posted Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:44am
Subject: Re: Update: another newbie. with answers from your standard 6!
 

You'll need to budget for a timer as well. A good espresso machine will take at least fifteen minutes to get up to proper operating temperature.

JB
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males149
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Posted Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:49am
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Good point, but if it's a question of turning on a switch, it takes 5 seconds and then I can go about picking up toys, feeding toats, and such motherly things :P
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Tue Jun 18, 2013, 11:10am
Subject: Re: Update: another newbie. with answers from your standard 6!
 

Welcome,
Actually, the minimum time is half an hour and more is better. Not only the water needs to heat up, the whole machine and all it's parts and pieces need to warm up also.

While we can work in that budget, you may need to drop down the level on the machine and up on the grinder. In this price range, you should spend at least half as much for the grinder as you do for the machine. Your budget can get you a good hand powered grinder and a better than basic machine. If you go used, you can up the quality of each about 25 to 50%

Have you read the FAQ on how to buy an espresso machine? http://coffeegeek.com/guides it is a good place to get your feet wet in what you are going up against. The prices are a little dated as is the recommended gear, it has been a while since it was updated and things have changed in the market place so ask before buying based on the advice there! It is great though to get a foundation in gear.

Sadly, the lower the price on the equipment, the more skill it takes to get good coffee from it. By the time you get good shots on basic gear, you will be set for better equipment to make you shine.

We do have a lot of members, "up north" :D so you are in good company!
Ask lots of questions and we can get you going. Yes a bigger budget will help a lot with ease of use and by extension, the time you spend making coffee but great espresso can be had on your budget.

 
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males149
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Posted Tue Jun 18, 2013, 11:18am
Subject: Re: Update: another newbie. with answers from your standard 6!
 

I appreciate all the information and I did read twice the sticky post for newbies and the reply I got in my previous post.

I'll up the budget for the grinder.

Still, I have to choose between the 3 machines I've mentionned, unless you have a suggestion that is out of this world, something I doubt exists in my price range.

Breville Infuser
Mokita Creme
Saeco Via Venezia.

Again, I appreciate all your answers but I'd like to get this machine this week. We could debate on procedures and details for a long time but by the end of the week I'd still be sipping Keurig cr@p...so please try to answer my question and save me from drinking bad coffee :)
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Posted Wed Jun 19, 2013, 4:43am
Subject: Re: Update: another newbie. with answers from your standard 6!
 

The Breville looks quite a lot of machine and the most interesting of the 3. The Saeco would be a good choice too but has a smaller portafilter and its specifications seem inferior to the Breville's. I would opt for the Breville but before buying I would try to find consumer reviews of these machines.
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Posted Wed Jun 19, 2013, 9:35am
Subject: Re: Update: another newbie. with answers from your standard 6!
 

Pros of Breville infuser, PID temp control - ensures stable temperature for ideal shots.

Even if it's small, it is very powerful. Gets most flavor and aroma. Just gently moistens grounds before extraction.

 
Did you know...? Dark roast coffees actually have less caffeine than lighter roasts due to the fact that the process of roasting burns off caffeine.
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:15am
Subject: Re: Update: another newbie. with answers from your standard 6!
 

OK, I just wanted you to know what you are getting into :D

Infuser. I am not impressed, it is a thermoblock machine, the lowest rank of machines. They call it a thermocoil but that is just a different name for the same thing. They claim that through the use of a PID the machine has stable temps, I guess that remains to be seen. All quality machine makers if using a thermoblock (coil) keep it in the steam circuit where the temp being stable is not need, machines such as the CC1 are a good example of this, they use a PID to control the boiler and a thermoblock to steam with. The maker of the infuser is not known for quality and even with their flagship machine, the BDB they have a lot of issues, some members on their third machine under warranty.

At an average price of $499 online, you can do better with your money.

Mokita Creme, honestly I can't find much on that machine, a Google search under that name brings up scant info and not much new, I did not see one seller on the first page of results other than Ebay, and that is a bad sign.

Saeco Via Venezia. A base entry level machine. It has a boiler and temp control is via click thermostat so temp surfing is need as it is on nearly every machine non PID equipped in the SBDU class machine.
The maker is well known and though basic, it will pull a good shot. I owned one for a while so I have hands on with it.

A machine to take a hard look at Click Here (www.1st-line.com) is the Le Lit Pl041. First line has it at $429 and it has been a long time go to machine for people to start with. It is solidly built and gives Sylvia a run for the money at a much nicer touch in the pocket book. It costs less than the Infuser and in a personal opinion, it would run rings around the infuser but as I have never used or had hands on the infuser that is speculation based on past history of the maker and the thermo block/coil system. As always YMMV.

This would free up a little more money to go to a grinder where you really need to put quality first.

If the budget is really fixed and only the machines you asked about are under consideration, I would go with the Saeco and a good grinder such as the Vario, precicso at least.

 
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Wayne P.
Anything I post is personal opinion and is only worth as much as anyone else's personal opinion. YMMV!

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Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto 3
Grinder: Mazzer Mini Elect. Type A
Vac Pot: Looking to buy
Drip: Manual
Roaster: Considering?
Posted Fri Jun 21, 2013, 9:40pm
Subject: Re: Update: another newbie. with answers from your standard 6!
 

One vendor you may want to consider is I drink Coffee dot com .. I believe they're based out of Ontario.

They offer a wide variety of machines within your price range and may be able to cut you a deal on a machine+grinder combo.

I've heard good things about the  Lelit PL41EM V2 machine. If you couple that with a used Rancilio Rocky or Baratza Precisio, you could make decent espresso with it
and stay within your budget. (The Rocky is a tricky grinder to use for espresso due to limited grind settings, but if you can find one for around $150, they're well worth that,
but consider a used Precisio instead.))

The Gaggia Classic is also a good machine as well, but is $100 over your budget. Can you budget for that?

I would stay away from all three of the machines you listed, only because they are all relatively low quality and won't stand up to many years worth of use, especially
with the volumes you plan on doing. If you spend the extra money, you won't regret it. IMO.

 
Garbage In, Garbage Out, for every step of the process. From Beans to grinder, grounds to machine, coffee to cup.
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Espresso: Bezzera BZ07 PM
Grinder: Baratza Virtuoso Preciso...
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Roaster: Gene Cafe, Modded Poppers
Posted Mon Jun 24, 2013, 1:07pm
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That's a very high price on the Gaggia Classic on that website - a quick search of Amazon.ca vs. Amazon.com shows the Classic at $683 CDN vs. $363 USD.  Unless something weird is going on in Canada*, it should be available for a lot less that $500 CDN.

*insert joke here.
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