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SupaMonkey
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Posted Sun Jul 14, 2013, 5:58am
Subject: Commercial/Prosumer Machine Recommendations
 

Hi Guys,
From South Africa here and our trusty Saeco "Magic Cappuccino Combi" has finally seen its days after many years of use. Ive read the sticky because Im a noob when it comes to machines, but I'll try to cover the general questions:

Budget: Up to 2000$, though 1-1.5k would be better ;)
Do you own a grinder: No
What are your needs (choose all that apply):
- Espresso's
- Cappuccinos
- Daily use
What is your experience: Aspirng Barista
Where are you located: South Africa

We dont have the variety that you get in the US and so forth, so here are some brands available locally that I would like recommendations from:
- KitchenAid
- Breville
- Saeco
- DeLonghi
- Bosch
- Smeg
- Krups
- Severin
// edit: found a few more local suppliers of:
- Jura
- Rocket Espresso Milano
- Isomac
- Solis
- Grimac
- Espresso del Capitano
- Carimali

Having said that, even within the brands we dont get all the models - so here's to hoping they have what you recommend!
From my understanding of the different machine types and such, Im looking for a double boiler semi automatic machine to make my perfect cup of cappuccino :)
Struggled to make decent micro-foam with the now dead Saeco we had, and I think it was an issue with the machine and not my lack of skill :)

Looking forward to your experienced recommendations!
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Location: Cambridge, Ontario Canada
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Drip: Manual Drip, French Press
Roaster: Behmor 1600 / Sonofresco
Posted Sun Jul 14, 2013, 7:13am
Subject: Re: Commercial/Prosumer Machine Recommendations
 

SupaMonkey Said:

Hi Guys,
From South Africa here and our trusty Saeco "Magic Cappuccino Combi" has finally seen its days after many years of use. Ive read the sticky because Im a noob when it comes to machines, but I'll try to cover the general questions:

Budget: Up to 2000$, though 1-1.5k would be better ;)
Do you own a grinder: No
What are your needs (choose all that apply):
- Espresso's
- Cappuccinos
- Daily use
What is your experience: Aspirng Barista
Where are you located: South Africa

We dont have the variety that you get in the US and so forth, so here are some brands available locally that I would like recommendations from:
- KitchenAid
- Breville
- Saeco
- DeLonghi
- Bosch
- Smeg
- Krups
- Severin
- Jura

Having said that, even within the brands we dont get all the models - so here's to hoping they have what you recommend!
From my understanding of the different machine types and such, Im looking for a double boiler semi automatic machine to make my perfect cup of cappuccino :)
Struggled to make decent micro-foam with the now dead Saeco we had, and I think it was an issue with the machine and not my lack of skill :)

Looking forward to your experienced recommendations!

Posted July 14, 2013 link

Go with the Breville Dual Boiler!  $1,000 pricepoint it's the machine to get these days!  It's a tank and I have heard nothing but good things.  I would also recommend a Macap M2M grinder to match.  

Breville Dual Boiler
Macap M2M
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SupaMonkey
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Posted Sun Jul 14, 2013, 7:23am
Subject: Re: Commercial/Prosumer Machine Recommendations
 

Thanks! That is one of my top options, but the local distributor for Breville doesnt seem to bring in that model - only the cheaper ones!
I have asked them directly just in case though, but in the meantime Im looking elsewhere.
I've edited the original post with a few more brands I've found locally - but in the meantime, the one at the top of my list is the Saeco Royal Professional:
Click Here (h2o.co.za)

Seems to have 2 boilers and a steam wand for manual frothing :) Still looking though...
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Roaster: Behmor 1600 / Sonofresco
Posted Sun Jul 14, 2013, 9:28am
Subject: Re: Commercial/Prosumer Machine Recommendations
 

Well IMO Rocket nukes Breville equipment. Rocket is more commercial quality machines!

If you  decide on a Rocket machine and you still gotta work with a $2,000 budget a good stepless grinder like this would be nice too but I would still go with a Macap.
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Markarian
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Grinder: Baratza Forte AP, HG One
Vac Pot: Bunn Trifecta MB
Drip: Moka, Aeropress, Hario V60
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:20am
Subject: Re: Commercial/Prosumer Machine Recommendations
 

DO NOT buy the Breville unless they have a service center in ZA where you can get it descaled and maintained. Rocket makes excellent machines. You may want to consider a Nuova Simonelli Oscar, which is sold in your country. Before you consider buying a serious machine, you need a serious grinder. Combi, and super-automatic machines (like the Saeco you linked above) produce a wide spectrum of espresso quality within a certain range, but still cannot rival a true espresso, ground, tamped, and pulled on a semi-auto or manual machine. So I would suggest you first decide if you are willing to devote the time and energy to learning the skills needed to make coffee by hand (such as with the BDB). If you just want a machine that does it all at the touch of a button, go for the Saeco, but do not expect it to taste quite as exquisite as a coffee you may order in a cafe.
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
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Posted Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:55am
Subject: Re: Commercial/Prosumer Machine Recommendations
 

Burner0000 Said:

Well IMO Rocket nukes Breville equipment. Rocket is more commercial quality machines!

If you  decide on a Rocket machine and you still gotta work with a $2,000 budget a good stepless grinder like this would be nice too but I would still go with a Macap.

Posted July 14, 2013 link

I must second this post and totally disagree with the BDB, I'm not sure why it was recommended in light of this quote.

We have members that are on their third machine while under warranty, I had doubt about that machine when it first came out and the track record since then has not done much to change those questions about it.

 
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Posted Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:34am
Subject: Re: Commercial/Prosumer Machine Recommendations
 

Regarding Double Boiler machines, la Spaziale has a distributor and service center in your neck of the woods. And looking at your budget, you stand a good chance of getting decent grinder to boot. Also, there is a Nuova Simonelli distributor if you wish to make comparisons before taking the plunge. With the Rand looking the way does, you can still get a Compak K3 Touch, Mazzer Mini and Mahlkonig Vario with some change.

Yes... I'm in South Africa as well.
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SupaMonkey
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Posted Mon Jul 15, 2013, 1:47am
Subject: Re: Commercial/Prosumer Machine Recommendations
 

Wow, thanks for all the info and suggestion guys!
Im really quite liking the Nuova Simonelli Oscar but will be looking at La Spaziale as well!
Its not a Double Boiler, but apparently a Heat Exchanger which is roughly just as good?
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
Grinder: Azkoyen Capriccio, Major
Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Mon Jul 15, 2013, 3:43am
Subject: Re: Commercial/Prosumer Machine Recommendations
 

Both  a HX and a DB are high quality machines, they just get to the finish line in different ways.
One is not "better" than the other. You may hear about a flush on a HX machine bit in truth nearly all machines need a warming or cooling flush and ALL MACHINES need a cleaning flush so in truth, the big deal some people make about a HX cooling flush is a moot point in reality.

 
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jonr
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Posted Mon Jul 15, 2013, 10:37am
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IMO, the average DB is, at least in theory, more stable and repeatable than the average HX.  I have the latter and I find that the duration of the flush and the temperature of the incoming water have too much effect on the brew temperature.
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