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Posted Thu Jul 25, 2013, 5:07pm
Subject: Is 20 grams in a triple basket ok?
 

I have a precision bottomless PF ordered. I didn't notice until after I had ordered it that it says it is a triple basket. I usually use 18 to 20 grams to create my shot. Is there any issue with using 20 grams in a triple basket? The basket I have always used is supposed to be a double basket.
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Posted Thu Jul 25, 2013, 5:33pm
Subject: Re: Is 20 grams in a triple basket ok?
 

I pull 20g triples routinely. I use my bottomless pf 95% or more lot the time. If I want to pull an 18g double, I switch out the basket. Which dose I use depends on the coffee. For instance, I pull Red Bird at 18g in my double basket and Klatch WBC at 20g in my triple basket, but always with the same pf handle.

 
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Posted Thu Jul 25, 2013, 9:57pm
Subject: Re: Is 20 grams in a triple basket ok?
 

18 is about the limit for the stock double, which is on the large side for a double basket. Not sure how you get 20g in there. 18 will leave a clear impression from the screen, 20 I imagine would be squished to heck against the screen especially after expansion. Maybe one of the reasons for poor shots you were having?

But yeh people dose that amount or more in a tripple all the time.
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Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 4:27am
Subject: Re: Is 20 grams in a triple basket ok?
 

CMIN Said:

18 is about the limit for the stock double, which is on the large side for a double basket. Not sure how you get 20g in there. 18 will leave a clear impression from the screen, 20 I imagine would be squished to heck against the screen especially after expansion. Maybe one of the reasons for poor shots you were having?

But yeh people dose that amount or more in a tripple all the time.

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I have checked to see if the shower screen touches the puck and it doesn't. This is on my CC1. I have never used the nickel trick to see if there is clearance though.
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Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 1:37pm
Subject: Re: Is 20 grams in a triple basket ok?
 

You will know almost immediately after your first shot.  If the pucks fly out of your basket like a soggy pair of socks you will know you have too much head space.  I used triple VST baskets for years with up to 24 grams in it but when I started reducing the load size to 20 grams I got the wet pucks.   I switched to the Espressoparts HQ double baskets with 20 grams and the problem solved.  Your machine also determines the head space so everyone experiences something different.  

Good luck!
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Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 6:13pm
Subject: Re: Is 20 grams in a triple basket ok?
 

Not sure if VST considers the 20g basket a small tripple or a big double so my guess is you are getting the 22g basket. VST baskets in my experience are not tolerant of a big range to work their best, an 18g basket works best +/- 1 g. They are nice baskets though when the flavor you are looking for falls in the range they want.

I second the HQ baskets from espresso parts and hard to beat their price, I picked up 6 for the price of 2 VSTs.
http://www.espressoparts.com/cgi-bin/ep.pl the rlidgless 21g baskets hold a max of 23.5g but the ridged holds 25+g, the rlidgless has a taper at the bottom of the basket the ridged does not. I overdose my shots and well a 21g tripple is standered not overdosed, 25-26g gives me 3oz of what I want for my 8oz cap cup.
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Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 7:46pm
Subject: Re: Is 20 grams in a triple basket ok?
 

So i will pile with R. and R. and say got for the taste your looking for and with milk drinks the cup size dictates the yield which dictates the size of basket given the bean. With VST you sort can kind of break the single, double, triple thought process and grab a basket that fits the yield. For me using Redbird the 18g VST is guts dosed at 18.5g makes bang on 2oz double in my 2.25oz cups. It also works great for my 6oz cap cups. My 10oz latte cups get the 20g VST at 21g if someone wants a latte.  The 22 stays put in the drawer unless i am playing.

I am not sure on the CC1 but on E61 you can change the gasket to adjust the head room as long as can lock the PF in good it will do but your handle may not be TDC.

 
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Posted Fri Jul 26, 2013, 8:26pm
Subject: Re: Is 20 grams in a triple basket ok?
 

I will keep my order for the precision triple basket. Surely the baskets that come with the 2B will snap into the bottomless PF if I don't like the precision basket. I have been making my shots at 18- 20 grams for a long time. I would prefer my shots be a little larger so I may up that to 22 or 24 if the basket cooperates. I have gotten very technical lately. I weigh the ground coffee, the espresso yield, and even the milk in my milk drinks. Right now, I am using slightly over 4 to ratio milk to espresso, which is less that I was just a few weeks ago. As the shot quality improves, the less milk I use.

I assume that if I have too much room in the top of the basket it will make the pressure ramp up take a little longer than normal... not sure this would have a bad effect on shot quality though. If I just have a little water on top of the puck, and the puck comes out relatively clean, I can live with that.
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Posted Sat Jul 27, 2013, 7:11am
Subject: Re: Is 20 grams in a triple basket ok?
 

DeanOK Said:

I will keep my order for the precision triple basket. Surely the baskets that come with the 2B will snap into the bottomless PF if I don't like the precision basket. I have been making my shots at 18- 20 grams for a long time. I would prefer my shots be a little larger so I may up that to 22 or 24 if the basket cooperates. I have gotten very technical lately. I weigh the ground coffee, the espresso yield, and even the milk in my milk drinks. Right now, I am using slightly over 4 to ratio milk to espresso, which is less that I was just a few weeks ago. As the shot quality improves, the less milk I use.

I assume that if I have too much room in the top of the basket it will make the pressure ramp up take a little longer than normal... not sure this would have a bad effect on shot quality though. If I just have a little water on top of the puck, and the puck comes out relatively clean, I can live with that.

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To scientific for me, for my triple, three scoops in, grind, tamp, DRINK.  Just got to keep it simple.  Check the timing every now an then for about a 27-35 sec pull, add ice and milk.  DRINK.

Maybe looking at getting a scale, just to check, but I am just to old school, no real need to measure to .01 grams and temp to .5 degree C.  To each his own.
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