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Deniss
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Posted Sat Jul 27, 2013, 7:58pm
Subject: Bezzera Unica or Vibiemme junior HX V3
 

Hi,

I presently use a Saeco Xelsis during the week. I want to buy a semi auto to practice my barista skills on weekends, i have plenty of times. I make 4 capuccinos a day, 2 at a time maximum, and about 4 espressos. What would be the best choice for me. I like the Bezzera Unica with PID it has a very attractive price at 990$, will the boiler be sufficient to prepare two cappucinos at the same time ? should i go the HX route with the Vibiemme at 1350$.

My first machine was the Cafe Roma from breville, sold 3 years ago. A Jura Ena 5 sold last year. if i like my new semi auto i may sell my Xelsis as well.

Your help and inputs will be appreciated.

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Posted Sat Jul 27, 2013, 9:55pm
Subject: Re: Bezzera Unica or Vibiemme junior HX V3
 

I have used neither specifically but have seen and used the Bezzera and Vibiemme.  Not sure about the JR but i have the Vibiemme super and it is fantastic in quality and steam power.  I have used expobar, rockets, isomacs etc and none of those compare in build quality.
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Posted Sat Jul 27, 2013, 10:21pm
Subject: Re: Bezzera Unica or Vibiemme junior HX V3
 

If you have budget for it, go with a HX machine. Considering how much in the way of milk based drinks you make, an HX machine would be a great timesaver over a SBDU.

The upside to the Unica is that you don't have to consume a lot of power to make straight espresso drinks. The downside is that you'll be waiting for the machine
to reach steam temperature whenever you want to steam, which could add considerable time to every drink you want to prepare.

Considering that narrow price difference between the two machines, the HX machine certainly is worth the extra money. Good luck!

 
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Deniss
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Posted Mon Aug 5, 2013, 6:08pm
Subject: Re: Bezzera Unica or Vibiemme junior HX V3
 

Hi,

I have finally decided on the  Unica for the PID, the E61, the look of the machine, and the price. On the the bezzera videos (Espresso tv), it takes no time to go from coffee to steaming, no more than 30 seconds. I will make no more than 2 latte at a time, so i think i will be ok. For the grinder i have 2 choices : the Ceado E7, or the Compak K3 touch for the same price 500 $.

I will keep my Saeco Xelsis  besides the Unica and the grinder.

I will use the Saeco during the week and the Bezzera on weekend, i will make a nice setup with a bar sink and all the accessories, i will post pictures when finished.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

I will keep you posted on my future setup.

Regards
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Posted Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:06am
Subject: Re: Bezzera Unica or Vibiemme junior HX V3
 

Deniss Said:

For the grinder i have 2 choices : the Ceado E7, or the Compak K3 touch for the same price 500 $.

Posted August 5, 2013 link

I don't have personal experience with either grinders, so the least I can do is help you out with some reviews on this site:
No reviews on the Ceado yet. "Compak K Series Grinders"
There are a few positive reviews on the Compak K3. I'm assuming the latter is probably a bit more popular.

Deniss Said:

I will keep my Saeco Xelsis  besides the Unica and the grinder.

Posted August 5, 2013 link

Once you get in the Unica and start using it with the same beans, I'm interested to find out what your thoughts are on the differences between the two machines, from the
point of view of taste, texture, quality, etc, etc. If anything, just out of curiosity. My suspicion is, you'll like the coffee that the Unica makes a lot better and get rid of the Xelsis.

Deniss Said:

i will post pictures when finished.

Posted August 5, 2013 link

I can't wait! I always like to see peoples "Shrines" .. it sometimes gives me some good ideas as to what I could do with mine.

 
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Posted Tue Aug 6, 2013, 3:47am
Subject: Re: Bezzera Unica or Vibiemme junior HX V3
 

You may want me to rethink the machine decision. There is a huge difference in performance and possible resale value between the two.  

By all means buy what you want but in MHO you are making a mistake.  YMMV and I am sure it does.

 
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Posted Wed Aug 7, 2013, 12:18pm
Subject: Re: Bezzera Unica or Vibiemme junior HX V3
 

Have you made a decision yet?
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Deniss
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Posted Fri Aug 9, 2013, 7:50pm
Subject: Re: Bezzera Unica or Vibiemme junior HX V3
 

Hi,

I just bought the Bezzera Unica and Ceado E7 grinder. I received the grinder today and the Unica is scheduled to be delivered at the end of august. i'm very pleased with the Ceado , it is quiet , looks very solid and sturdy. It is quite big maybe too much of a machine for me but the quality of the grind is very good. My first experience at grinding for espresso and french press is conclusive for now. I wanted the best grinder for the money and at 500$ it is a good buy. For the grinder, the matter is resolved for the moment i hope... The mazzer mini electronic type A was tempting but at 1000$ i must draw the line somewhere.

I bought the Unica for the E61 group and the PID, i want the best espresso possible and i thought the Unica would be better at this than an HX machine. I did not wanted to bother with flushing and temp surfing. As for the milk drinks , it will never be more than 2 at a time and the 20 or 30 seconds down time is not an issue.

After reading your post i may change my decision for the Unica, as for the quality of the machine, the small boiler and the resale value. I never thought it would be so difficult to buy a simple espresso machine...

The bottom line is : Can i make a better drink with the Unica or The Vibiemme junior HX V3 regardless of the milk frothing?

I will have to think about it furthermore.

I will keep you posted

Thanks a lot for your reply

Regards
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Deniss
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Posted Mon Aug 12, 2013, 8:17pm
Subject: Re: Bezzera Unica or Vibiemme junior HX V3
 

Hi,

I finally changed my mind and ordered the Quickmill DB QM67. You have me worried about purchasing a single boiler machine and i did not wanted an HX because of the fluctuations in temp (as i understand). So it will be the Ceado E7 (with a smaller replacement hopper from a Mazzer mini, it fits.

Upon reviewing advice from member of coffeegeek and other forums, i thought it would be wise to go to the double boiler route. I do not want to upgrade for a while so...

Idrinkcoffee employees in Milton were very helpful giving advice, they have a very good customer service, fast response, and knowledgeable people.

It will be fun to compare the QM 67 and my Saeco Xelsis.

I will give you an update in a couple of weeks.

Regards
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Deniss
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Posted Tue Aug 27, 2013, 9:09am
Subject: Re: Bezzera Unica or Vibiemme junior HX V3
 

Hi,

2 weeks with the Quickmill QM67, and i'm very happy with the machine. I was able to pull consistant shot after a couple of days. I have more than enough steam power for 2 capuccinos (20 oz pitcher), and the recuperation time is extremely fast. It was fun to compare with my Saeco Xelsis with same coffee, there is a big difference in taste, it is more sour and watery. The new hopper from the Mazzer mini fits perfectly well the Ceado E7.

That grinder is very consistent, easy to clean, and quiet.

Will i  keep my superautomatic Saeco Xelsis ? i'm not shure yet, it is practical on busy morning....

One last thing ; I do not understand why Quickmill would sell the new Vetrano double boiler at such a low price., 2150 $ versus 1899$ for the QM67, they will kill the QM67 or will it be discontinued?

For me the Qm67 is more than enough for my needs, and even if i was to have guests it would still work for me.

Regards

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