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Posted Mon Aug 12, 2013, 7:00pm
Subject: Expobar Elegance 2 group
 

Jumped in to the ex-commercial HX machine pool today, and I'm trying to figure out exactly what I have on my hands.

I purchased it from someone who bought it off a church as part of a coffee cart for $1700. Apparently it was just the 2 group, and the cart - no grinder and um, portafilters... Reportedly made by some guy in LA, and that's all they knew. The new owners were a non-profit who wanted to set up a coffee cart for benefits. Stymied by bureaucratic red tape, it sat in storage for a while. I bought it for $50.

I just pulled the cases, drained the boiler, and gave it a visual inspection. Amazing how easy it is to pull these things apart, five minutes and you're down to the guts. So far it looks very clean, no evidence of leaks, or standing water or any coffee grounds for that matter. Groups, Boiler are stamped CREM, circa 2000. Wiring harness in good shape, etc. That's all I know so far. Anyone got any clue about where this came from, and how I should approach it as a newbie to these machines?

I do need some portafilters if anyone wants to sell any...

Since CG isn't particularly suited to attaching images, more pictures are here: http://tibfibphoto.zenfolio.com/p689445734

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Posted Mon Aug 12, 2013, 8:08pm
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Contact these folks:
http://www.pasquini.com/
If it isn't one of theirs, they will likely know its source.

 
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Posted Mon Aug 12, 2013, 9:06pm
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Its an Expobar Elegance
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Posted Mon Aug 12, 2013, 9:10pm
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kitt2000 Said:

Its an Expobar Elegance

Posted August 12, 2013 link

I just figured that out with google images.  :D  
edited the thread title to be more relevant.

\Ok, now that we know that, will any standard e61 PF work? Anything else I should know about this machine?

I located the manual for the New Elegance on Crem International's page... there are definitely a couple of tricks I wouldn't have figured out. The "2 short cup" secret switch, for one. Programming shot times on the left keypad sets the right, but not vice versa.

Click Here (download1.creminternational.com)
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Drip: toddy
Roaster: KKTO inspired
Posted Mon Aug 12, 2013, 10:14pm
Subject: Re: ID unbadged 2 group HX
 

fluke Said:

will any standard e61 PF work?

Posted August 12, 2013 link

found the answer. http://www.cafeparts.com/productDetail1.asp?ItemID=48645

interesting, digging around a little into the history of Crem International which is now a Swedish concern. This machine probably has more spanish roots being an earlier example, pre-merger. I still have no idea why this unit has no markings, labels or even something indicating power requirements, UL etc.. The only thing that comes close is the plate (with a single rivet) affixed to the boiler. I initially took this to be specific to the boiler assy, but is it is the serial plate for the machine? "pruebas de presion" would refer to pressure testing, right?
http://tibfibphoto.zenfolio.com/img/s9/v88/p1814875150-3.jpg

I love this detail about spare parts (from the website, print the order and fax it to spain)

http://www.creminternational.com/default.asp?h=137&m=517

Due to technical problems, beyond Crem International Spain S.L.U., the orders placed through our website should have to be printed and sent to Crem International Spain S.L.U. to the fax number + 34 96 287 88 39 or by email to info.es@creminternational.com. We apolosize for any troubles this may cause you.

Thankfully cafeparts.com is much easier to deal with....
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Posted Thu Sep 25, 2014, 1:15am
Subject: Re: Expobar Elegance 2 group
 

Hi there.
Sorry to revive an old topic.

I have found one of those machines (Expobar Elegance 2 group) + a Barsilia RR45 grinder second hand. The price is tempting and they are both in "working condition" according to the seller (in a different city so I cannot go and easily test it)
I was wonder, how was your experience using this machine ?  Would you recommend it?

Many Thanks,
Yousif
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Posted Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:42pm
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Yousif,
Old threads are good sources of information! I'm not on coffeegeek very much, and honestly I first went to find your question and reply to it on that other site (home-barista.com) :D

Generally, I'd say if the price is right and you are set up to deal with a commercial machine, go for it.

The guts & layout of the Expobar is pretty similar to many other commercial HX e61 type machines in this class. The gicar controllers and flow meters are the only electronics, and I only ever run one group at a time manually, not the volumetric. I'm not a coffee shop, and staying to  watching the 20-30 sec. extraction is actually a plus! Nevertheless, I'm happy to have functional volumetric controls.. I just never use them.

When it came time to tear-down and clean the machine, I didn't have to source any specific parts, since my machine was actually is extraordinarily good shape, lightly used and very, very clean; considering some of the machines I've seen offered as being in great working condition.  Most folks selling these things have never opened the case, and have no idea what the inside of the boiler looks like; they just know that brown liquid comes out the portafilter, and it looks like it's working. Regardless, you can gain some useful indications by looking at the condition of the pipes, boiler and fittings - looking for obvious signs of leaks and corrosion.  Same things you might look at buying a car, if you will. Not exactly, but you get my point.

If you do need to source bits, Expobar is in business, and parts are available - unlike some other machines  (Gino Rossi, Brasilia  and  others..) and depending on where you are, and how extensively you need to overhaul the machine, in general. you don't really need to worry about weird proprietary parts.

Unless I was buying a machine from a friend, I'd count on needing to strip down and go through the machine thoroughly. Just how it is. If you go to buy it, bring a friend to help you heave it into your vehicle.  Same as any machine of this type. You can pull the case with an allen key in a minute or two. Gaining access to the heating element and boiler takes a bit longer (especially if it hasn't been drained) and the opening is pretty small (>2") so bring a inspection light and a probe, if you think you are going to go that route.


The RR45 is a perfectly decent stepped grinder. I should finish overhauling the one that I have. I prefer the solidity of the Pavoni, but the stepped adjustment on both occasionally annoying. Most commercial grinders are pretty bombproof if they haven't been hopelessly abused.

This is the expobar the last time we had it stripped down. I'd post better pictures, but I just remembered why I dislike posting threads on CG with pictures attached.

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