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perceval
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Posted Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:50am
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II: Butterfly is home
 

Well,

It's been hard.  I wonder if it is my grinder of the new beans That I just got, but I can't find a setting to make a great espresso yet.  I have confidence that the Butterfly is a great machine.  I have less confidence in my grinder.

The grinder is a Mazzer Super Jolly taiwanese copy called the Feima 908N.  I was assured it was an exact copy... but as I am having so much problem with it, I am starting to wonder...  There's a lot of grind left in the chute... From net reading, I think I see it is a problem with MSJs.  I've been all over the grind dial and still can't find a good grind.  It also clumps quite a bit when it starts to get stuck in the chute.  Cleaning it results in initial nice flow, then clumps again.

I know I still have to keep at it.  But I have this beautiful italian in my kitchen and it needs a a better combination of grinder or operator, maybe!  :)
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Posted Wed Oct 30, 2013, 6:05am
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II: Butterfly is home
 

No offense but a Super Jolly costs 1100 U.S. dollars for a real one,the knock of your mentioning costs 8000 Taiwanese dollars which is the U.S. equivalent of 272 dollars.
I am not a grinder expert but from my past experience things made in China and Taiwan as a general rule arent made there so they can improve on design.

perceval Said:

Well,

It's been hard.  I wonder if it is my grinder of the new beans That I just got, but I can't find a setting to make a great espresso yet.  I have confidence that the Butterfly is a great machine.  I have less confidence in my grinder.

The grinder is a Mazzer Super Jolly taiwanese copy called the Feima 908N.  I was assured it was an exact copy... but as I am having so much problem with it, I am starting to wonder...  There's a lot of grind left in the chute... From net reading, I think I see it is a problem with MSJs.  I've been all over the grind dial and still can't find a good grind.  It also clumps quite a bit when it starts to get stuck in the chute.  Cleaning it results in initial nice flow, then clumps again.

I know I still have to keep at it.  But I have this beautiful italian in my kitchen and it needs a a better combination of grinder or operator, maybe!  :)

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Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:49am
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II: Butterfly is home
 

I'm looking at pictures of your grinder and it is NOT an exact copy of the Super Jolly. The SJ is much thicker and has more solid-looking tooling. Even so, it looks like it uses the same-sized burrset. Assuming your grinder is functionally the same as a Super Jolly, the Mazzer grinders are still tricky to dial in. This is why my vintage restored Super Jolly sits unused, pristine, and collecting dust next to my little Baratza Forte. Also, yes, the Super Jolly clumps quite a lot. Does yours have a doser?
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Posted Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:53pm
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II: Butterfly is home
 

Mine is a doserless, which had a basic chute installed.  Found that a lot of grind made their way between the grinder and the plate of the chute, so I replaced it with a funnel like in this picture (minus the electronics).

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Posted Wed Oct 30, 2013, 10:55pm
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II: Butterfly is home
 

Here are the specs for the 908N:

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Posted Thu Oct 31, 2013, 6:19am
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II: Butterfly is home
 

Grinder makes all the difference, can you return it and get something better?

 
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Posted Thu Oct 31, 2013, 7:48am
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II: Butterfly is home
 

Coffeenoobie Said:

Grinder makes all the difference, can you return it and get something better?

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Wish I could.
Can't return it... In Taiwan,  if it is out of the box / bag, it is considered used and non-returnable...  If there is a demo, it is plastic-wrapped and I can't touch it... yet alone turn it on.  I also have to argue for 30 minutes to return a wine that turned to vinegar...

And, nothing better around here is available.  I have seen some rusty 15-year-old Macap trying to sell for $700... because it's "vintage".  And shipping one of those things from the USA is kinda prohibitive!

I was hoping it would be like my audio system.  Usher speakers are made in Taiwan and are superb.  I'd hoped that it would be the same with this grinder... but, since many have problems with the original MSJ, maybe they copied it just too well!  :)
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Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Thu Oct 31, 2013, 11:52am
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II: Butterfly is home
 

While I'm still hesitant about the quality of the grinder itself, it looks like "Feima" tried to clone the electronic doser as well! I'd love to see where I could get one and how much it would cost.
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Posted Thu Oct 31, 2013, 7:06pm
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II: Butterfly is home
 

The Feima 901N TQ (electronic doser version) is just a little over US$500 here, for your information.
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Drip: Moka, Aeropress, Hario V60
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Thu Oct 31, 2013, 11:46pm
Subject: Re: Ready to step up! Oscar vs Butterfly vs Mini Vivaldi II: Butterfly is home
 

Do you think I could just buy the doser assembly itself? Man, that'd be cool to try out on my SJ and make me more apt to use it.
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