calblacksmith Moderator Joined: 25 Nov 2007 Posts: 6,827 Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A. Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: ECM Veneziano A1 Grinder: Many different commercial Vac Pot: 40s era Silex Drip: Milita, Bunn&Curtis... Roaster: Cast iron pan, gas burner
Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 7:55am Subject: Re: Residential Espresso machine life expectancy?
Welcome to the board.
That is a competent starter machine but hardly mid range.
How long does a car last? How many drinks will a blender make? How many balls can a baseball bat hit?
Usage, care, how you maintain it all come into play. For most people though, when used properly and normal care and cleaning are done, you will get years from it, if you stay in the hobby, you will likely sell it and if they stay in the hobby they will sell it too and even on from there.
The machine is only half of the game, the least important part. The grinder is more important than the machine and fresh quality roasted beans are mandatory. This is less than two weeks from THE DAY THEY WERE ROASTED, not a best by date. You can not buy fresh beans at the supermarket or Starbucks. Expect to pay at least $10 for 12 OUNCES of quality fresh roasted beans.
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Coffeenoobie Senior Member Joined: 11 Dec 2011 Posts: 2,830 Location: PNW Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: N S Oscar Grinder: K30 & Vario W
Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 8:35am Subject: Re: Residential Espresso machine life expectancy?
With care I have heard lots of people say their machine lasted 5-10 years but many people upgrade from that machine in the 2-3 year range. Hard water and bad care make it last a lot less. Gaggias don't have the copper boiler and heavy duty wiring that my machine has. Mine is rated for light commercial use and I believe is a very good starter machine used. (I paid just under 500 for Oscar used)
Buying advice: GRINDER GRINDER GRINDER. Don't cheap out on the grinder.
+1 on the used Nuova Simonelli Oscar. Mine was $250+some repair work and parts bringing it to under $550, and it's a solid machine. I think this one is close to 10 years old. Larger than the Gaggia, but made to work for years. Oscar is easy to use, and makes great espresso.
I have no experience with Gaggia machines, so I can't speak to that.
Skylar Senior Member Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Posts: 79 Location: New Jersey Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: lelit espresso Grinder: lelit grinder Vac Pot: B. D. Electric Drip: chemex Roaster: wok roast and popper, heat...
Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 1:09pm Subject: Re: Residential Espresso machine life expectancy?
My old Gaggia "espresso" all plastic body, no three way valve, but kept cleaned and descaled regularly is in the hands of a relative and is now 10+ years old and has NEVER been repaired. Lucky? perhaps, or was it the cleaning and regular descaling?
SStones Senior Member Joined: 24 Nov 2012 Posts: 365 Location: Canada Expertise: Professional
Espresso: Giga 5, ECM Giotto, Rocket... Grinder: Anfim Milano-Best Vac Pot: No :( Drip: Some $30 thing from Walmart Roaster: I buy pre-roasted.
Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 2:53pm Subject: Re: Residential Espresso machine life expectancy?
The group gasket might last more than a couple years, if the machine isn't on too many hours a day, but you might want to replace it annually. The vibration pump could last 7 to 10 years if never run dry or with a restricted intake, but 7 is reasonable. The element should last more than 5 years, potentially 20 or more is never heated above the waterline. You may love the machine and keep it forever, or you may read this list and be leaning toward a trade-in when the pump starts getting weak in 7 years. Welcome aboard the coffeemachine addiction staircase.
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