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DavecUK
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 9:27am
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CarloM Said:

So I've made four lattes last night after fully flushing out the system ten times and dialing in my grind (sorry DavecUK, I didn't have the patience to get up to 15!). .

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I probably use a lot more new machines than most people and because I like to quickly get down to reviewing, I put a lot of water through. It means I'm not drinking manufacturer residues and I'm giving the machine a fair chance to deliver it's optimum flavour profile. There are a lot of thread lockers/sealers used in these machines in all sorts of joints. Sometimes they get over zealous and that's what that white lump of something people sometimes discover floating in their boiler when they remove the heating element....yeah it was there from manufacture..just a bit of thread locker that squeezed out of a joint somewhere. If you read the forums you will have seen the posts 10 year old whatever machine has white stuff in boiler, small lump etc.. In addition metals are coated with all sorts of things, brazing the fittings on a boiler uses fluxes...just general industrial stuff.

I'd like to see manufacturers completely stop the use of thread locker, because it just creates problems, if too much is used it can cause problems with blocking things, it makes disassembly extremely difficult. it's just laziness on their part really, because they have to take a bit more care with PTFE tape

So I flush and flush and flush, because with a new machine almost every month, I want to make sure I'm not continually exposed to "new machine water". now I know it's all safe because they wouldn't sell it otherwise, but we all wash new dishes, cutlery or drinking bottles before we use them don't we?
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DeanOK
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 9:32am
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CarloM Said:

A few observations/comments/questions:
Channeling is greatly reduced. Not completely eliminated, but about 90% less than on the Silvia using the same bean and nearly the same grind, with WDT. Did one shot without WDT and it had a slight bit more channeling but nowhere near what the Silvia did.

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I noticed a big improvement as well. I don't think I have had a single spritz since I got the V2B.

I too am still having issues with foam.. . twice I have had such thick foam I had to take it out of the pitcher with a spoon (not what I wanted). I don't think I will worry about the quality of my foam much until the 4 hole gets here. I am sure I can master it though. It makes a pitcher of milk in probably 20% of the time my old machine took... I didn't expect it to be so fast.
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CarloM
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:48am
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Dave - I hear you. There were definitely a few "floaters" when I pulled water from the machine the first time or two. By the tenth flush all of the water coming out was floater free (at least to the naked eye) and the smell from the steam wand had greatly diminished. The water from the hot water tap, which I recall is from the steam boiler, didn't smell nearly as much as the steam, so I wonder if the smell is from the steam wand piping or the no-burn insulation? Either way I may flush the steam boiler a time or two more.

Dean - I agree with what you wrote. Haven't heard back from Mary yet but hopefully they'll send the 4-hole tip soon (sent them an email last night). I'm still going to try and get good with the foam with the 2-hole tip, but it's definitely a learning curve. I'm used to getting a swirl from the single hole tip since the air only comes out in one direction, but I don't know how to get the swirl using the 2-hole tip which sprays air out in opposite directions. I guess it's time to hit YouTube and get my learn-on!
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:57am
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

CarloM Said:

Dean - I agree with what you wrote. Haven't heard back from Mary yet but hopefully they'll send the 4-hole tip soon (sent them an email last night). I'm still going to try and get good with the foam with the 2-hole tip, but it's definitely a learning curve. I'm used to getting a swirl from the single hole tip since the air only comes out in one direction, but I don't know how to get the swirl using the 2-hole tip which sprays air out in opposite directions. I guess it's time to hit YouTube and get my learn-on!

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I am sure CCS realizes by now that no one got a 4 hole tip in the initial shipment... so I am sure they will mail one out to everyone.
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:03am
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CarloM Said:

Crystal Geyser really is what the Insanely Long Water FAQ says it is. Confirmed three separate bottles from 2 different stores, 3 grains of hardness according to the test strip. If they keep up their quality I may never use another source. Debating whether I still need to put in the in-line filter I bought from CCS? The manual says "Should your water’s hardness level exceed three grains, then it is strongly recommended that an in tank softener be used..." so that to me suggests if it's 3 grains or less I don't need to use it?
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The Crystal Geyser water i use from the Oklahoma spring source also tests at 3 gr using my test strips.
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DeanOK
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 5:02pm
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Wow.. I just pulled one heck of a shot and did a decent job on my milk using the 2 hole tip. The coffee is better than my local coffee shop that does try to use fresh roasted beans.

Can someone explain to me why I was never able to do this with my old vibe machine... same beans, same pressure (or close to it), same tamping technique???

This machine drives completely different than my old machine (CC1)... it is so consistent that I can now see how making small adjustments are making a difference where my old machine was not consistent enough for me to be able to do that. I know there is obvious differences but I had told myself that I would probably not get better shots out of this machine...maybe just more good ones.... but now I know that I am getting better and I am getting better fast....and I am making better shots.  I haven't been this excited about espresso in a long time!
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Tonyv138
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 5:06pm
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Just got mine unboxed. Came in packaged upside down. Looks like CCS decided to ship my machine this way - protect the legs? All wet too - sitting on the counter drying now.
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CarloM
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 5:17pm
Subject: Re: Another DB Quickmill
 

DeanOK Said:

Wow.. I just pulled one heck of a shot and did a decent job on my milk using the 2 hole tip. The coffee is better than my local coffee shop that does try to use fresh roasted beans.

Can someone explain to me why I was never able to do this with my old vibe machine... same beans, same pressure (or close to it), same tamping technique???

This machine drives completely different than my old machine (CC1)... it is so consistent that I can now see how making small adjustments are making a difference where my old machine was not consistent enough for me to be able to do that. I know there is obvious differences but I had told myself that I would probably not get better shots out of this machine...maybe just more good ones.... but now I know that I am getting better and I am getting better fast....and I am making better shots.  I haven't been this excited about espresso in a long time!

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I hear ya Dean. My first shot was as good as the best I'd pulled from my Silvia, and subsequent shots have gotten better. I am about to get off of work and am raring to get home to brew some more ;)

Seriously, it has to be the pump (quality, consistent pressure, etc.). And maybe the better temperature stability. Because while last night's first shot was good, this morning's was great and syrupy. Very reminiscent of what I see at the pro barista places. And I've YouTubed a bunch of multi-hole tip microfoam videos, so I'm also eager to check that out.

Clearly all 4 "M"s play a factor in espresso, but the Silvia to V2B just shows that Machine is a very important step. Either that or I became awesome at making espressos overnight. :D
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 5:21pm
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Are they thipping these out with full boilers or is the wetness from condensation?

I would hope that the boilers are completely drained before shipping.  Shipping with a full boiler puts undo stress on the support brackets not to mention the increase in shipping weight.

By the way . . . . I love hearing about your experiences as I'm going to buy one of these too.  

Please keep it comming.
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DeanOK
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Posted Thu Sep 5, 2013, 5:43pm
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ECM Said:

Are they thipping these out with full boilers or is the wetness from condensation?

I would hope that the boilers are completely drained before shipping.  Shipping with a full boiler puts undo stress on the support brackets not to mention the increase in shipping weight.

By the way . . . . I love hearing about your experiences as I'm going to buy one of these too.  

Please keep it comming.

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They are at least shipping them with some water in them. Mine had a paper in the box that had CCS logo on it stating that there may be some residual moisture in the box because the machine was bench tested before shipment.
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