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DeanOK
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Espresso: QM Vetrano 2B
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Posted Sat Sep 7, 2013, 4:05pm
Subject: Would you drink it or sink it?
 

All you know is 17.8 grams dosed, about 30-31 grams yield at brew temp was 200.

You can see the time for yourself. Your going to make the call without sampling the shot. It will be interesting to hear why you call it the way you call it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ids-6gzJ0A

Edit: I will come back and edit this original post in a day or two after it seems like about everyone has commented that is interested. I will tell you what I know about this little test.

Edit 9/9/13 at 6:47PM central time:

Ok, for those that didn't realize it, I knew when I started that this was not a great shot. Hence the reason for the title of the thread. I did drink it. It was not great, but not the worst I have been able to produce either. In fact, I have produced many that were not so good back when I had pressure problems with my old machine.

I always have trouble describing sour and bitter. I drank the shot in milk, so my description would have been "bland". Most of my sampling of straight shots of espresso is limited to a very small amount. I actually feel I do a better job judging a shot by the smell. Seems to me that there is a sweetness to the aroma that reminds me of chewing tobacco and maybe a little citrus sometimes. Don't ask my how I refined that weird way to describe coffee aroma and learned to trust it.... because I don't know. This also doesn't work on drip coffee.

You may wonder why I was pulled down so tight on my grind. Well, I saw all of those videos of those slayer shots that were thick as mud at first, and I was trying to reproduce that... without much success. I have pretty tight on my grind the last few days trying to keep my shots thick at first thinking I could find a taste profile that I have never found before. Even the 25 second shot I posted separately a few days ago was pretty fine on the grind... but I have noticed some things:  The crema is actually lighter in color when I try to keep the grind fine. That surprised me. I have much darker crema when I coarsen the grind and try to yield 32-36 grams from 18 grams of coffee in about 25-28 seconds from pump on.

This entire last week has been nothing but changes and trying new things for me because the V2B makes it very easy for me to make slight changes and be able to repeat the results. This machine is much more than I expected and even though I was afraid I would have buyer's remorse, I am glad I have it. I love how repeatable the machine is. I have been making espresso since the late 90's and today was the first time I was sure I had seen tiger striping.... that was a pretty good feeling. I am still varying grind and pull time and enjoying the opportunity to taste all of the different tastes, but so far the only shot  I have sinked was the very first one I made simply because my grind was too far off. Some of those shots were not too great, some of them pretty darn good. One was probably the best I have ever made.

I look forward to sharpening my skills and I am very appreciative of all those of you that helped me through the dark days when my pressure was way low on my old machine and I was sinking shot after shot. Some of you always gave me the benefit of the doubt and I appreciate that.

Thanks to all who participated in this thread!
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jwoodyu
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Joined: 31 Dec 2010
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Espresso: Allex Duetto II
Grinder: Mazzer Major
Posted Sat Sep 7, 2013, 4:43pm
Subject: Re: Would you drink it or sink it?
 

Sink it.  Well isn't this a fun idea for a thread?

 
Yes i have a reason for leaving SCG off my list, yes it is my opinion, yes it is subjective as opinions are by definition, no don't start a flame war because you disagree.
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MJW
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Posted Sat Sep 7, 2013, 4:56pm
Subject: Re: Would you drink it or sink it?
 

You didn't put a dual-wall basket on your E61 did you? ...

I think it's channeling or has some similar puck density problem.  It's ristretto-slow in the beginning and then too fast at the end.

I would predict that it will taste very sour, or extremely acidic.

But, sheepishly I admit I would still sneak a sip!
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Coffeenoobie
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Espresso: N S Oscar
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Posted Sat Sep 7, 2013, 8:11pm
Subject: Re: Would you drink it or sink it?
 

Always taste, sometimes you are surprised and you learn more from tasting.

 
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kwantfm
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Posted Sun Sep 8, 2013, 3:20am
Subject: Re: Would you drink it or sink it?
 

The pour looks great to start off with.  It's lovely and dark, syrupy and that's the sort of consistency at which I try to pull my morning double ristrettos.  The problem that I see is that it blondes really early.  I think it's going to be a pretty bitter shot from that blonding.  Will be interesting to hear what it actually tasted like... I would SINK IT.
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ECM
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Posted Sun Sep 8, 2013, 6:09am
Subject: Re: Would you drink it or sink it?
 

Drink it
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Burner0000
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Posted Sun Sep 8, 2013, 9:12am
Subject: Re: Would you drink it or sink it?
 

Drink it.  The shot looks bitter but I drjnk with cream and sugar.  If my shot is to bitter I add a bit more sugar. :) "Americano".
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calblacksmith
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Posted Sun Sep 8, 2013, 10:03am
Subject: Re: Would you drink it or sink it?
 

Helen said it first. Always taste it, you are often surprised, I have had some GREAT shots that took over a minute to pull and I have had some come in at thirty seconds that were OK in a milk drink but not so much on their own.

 
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bekeld
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Posted Sun Sep 8, 2013, 10:17am
Subject: Re: Would you drink it or sink it?
 

I would taste it and them add milk and chocolate. Any shot will taste good then. :)
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jwoodyu
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Posted Sun Sep 8, 2013, 6:00pm
Subject: Re: Would you drink it or sink it?
 

DeanOK Said:

Your going to make the call without sampling the shot.

Posted September 7, 2013 link

I think you guys are missing the point of the game. You have to drink it down or sink it, no sampling. Given this strict parameter that is baby is going in the sink at my house.

 
Yes i have a reason for leaving SCG off my list, yes it is my opinion, yes it is subjective as opinions are by definition, no don't start a flame war because you disagree.
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