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krc999
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Posted Thu Sep 19, 2013, 1:15pm
Subject: new la pavoni owner cant make an espresso !!! help pls
 

hi ive just purchased a la pavoni , and every time im making an espresso or coffee it comes through just like a normal black coffee . ive got 5 diffrent types of coffee but cant get no crema on any of my espresso as soon as i lift the lever in about 3-5 seconds its runs straight through like water ?? ive even purchased some lavaza coffee which is for espresso machines and that still don't work it comes through just like black coffee but very bitter ? any help is very appreciated as this is really starting to anoy me now. ive got a bigger heavier tampa already so.... thanks guys
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Posted Thu Sep 19, 2013, 2:36pm
Subject: Re: new la pavoni owner cant make an espresso !!! help pls
 

Kris, first of all, welcome to CG. Your post, however, raises a number of questions.
hi ive just purchased a la pavoni , and every time im making an espresso or coffee it comes through just like a normal black coffee.
A Pavoni Europicola lever machine can only make espresso.  It does not make coffee.

krc999 Said:

ive got 5 diffrent types of coffee but cant get no crema on any of my espresso as soon as i lift the lever in about 3-5 seconds its runs straight through like water

Posted September 19, 2013 link

What kind of grinder do you have?  It's clear to me that either you do not have a grinder, or you are grinding far too coarsely for the machine.

krc999 Said:

ive even purchased some lavaza coffee which is for espresso machines

Posted September 19, 2013 link

Most people will tell you that, first, Lavazza isn't very good, and secondly, it's stale by the time it gets to the States . . . especially is its preground.

Iluvdabean Said:

ive got a bigger heavier tampa already so.... thanks guys

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Tamping is the least important part of the entire process.

 
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Posted Thu Sep 19, 2013, 2:48pm
Subject: Re: new la pavoni owner cant make an espresso !!! help pls
 

Err.don't have a grinder its grinded in the shop they just ask what it's for I say espresso lever machine,  thanks for the reply. Yeah sorry it is a espresso machine, well every coffee I've used just comes out like water,  it's not creamy or anything
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Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
Vac Pot: Yama 5-cup
Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Thu Sep 19, 2013, 3:09pm
Subject: Re: new la pavoni owner cant make an espresso !!! help pls
 

Have you heard of Babbie's Rule of 15's?  

JasonBrandtLewis Said:

Babbie's Rule* of Fifteens:
-- Green (unroasted) coffee beans should be roasted within 15 months, or they go stale.
-- Roasted coffee beans should be ground within 15 days, or they go stale.
-- Ground coffee should be used within 15 minutes, or it goes stale.

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You will never -- and I do mean never -- be able to make great espresso with pre-ground coffee.  Pavoni Europicolas can be tricky, but I owned one for five years, and they are certainly capable of making excellent espresso.

One of the "mantras" that we cling to pretty tightly is

The Four M's of Espresso:
1) the Macinazione is the grinder, and with it, the correct grinding of the coffee beans;
2) the Miscela is the coffee beans/blend itself;
3) the Macchina is the espresso machine; and
4) the Mano is the skilled hand of the barista.  

All four are important.  Nothing is more important than the grinder!

 
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 6:12am
Subject: Re: new la pavoni owner cant make an espresso !!! help pls
 

Kris.
We see it ALL the time, a person buys a machine but tries to use pre ground coffee. It does not work, the grinder is MORE IMPORTANT than the machine and only slightly second to that is fresh roasted, fresh ground coffee. Roasted coffee is stale in two weeks from the day it was roasted. Ground FRESH coffee goes stale in about 15 minutes from the time it was ground.
The grind MUST be constantly adjusted for brewing espresso, it can change hour to hour so your chances of getting it ground in a shop then pulling a good shot even when you just get home, let alone the next day or week, well, if you get one, go and buy a single lottery ticket and being a winner as your luck is FANTASTIC.

 
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