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Tomate
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Posted Thu Sep 19, 2013, 12:21pm
Subject: Best machine for specialty (or third wave) coffee!
 

Dear people, my wife and i are planning to open a caf in Berlin, it will not be specialized only in third wave brewing methods but we love really good coffee and we think we should be able to make extremely high quality coffee, so we wanna use specialty coffee beans (Bonanza), good professional training and of course good equipment.
Now the thing is every barista has his/her own opinion (some of them sound more like the last word) and lately i had the chance to meet several distributors and dealers of coffee machines and i don't know which machine and grinder will suit our needs. We don't have a gigantic budget so don't suggest the Slayer or the super Spirit from "Van Der Westens".
We wanna have:
-Extremelly good coffee
-Perfect milk texture for the best flat white
-Consistent and repeatable shots
-As much control as possible (regarding time, T and Pressure)
-If possible, low energy consumption
-two groups only, and if possible separated boiler and heating elements for each group
So, any suggestion would be very welcome, even better if it comes with feedback!
Thanks a lot!

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Posted Thu Sep 19, 2013, 12:29pm
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Ah, the answers from the sticky would be:
-We wanna make espresso based things like: espresso (and double), Capp., Flat white, Latte and machiatto
-I said already, two groups, so two drinks at a time
-On average i think if everything works fine we should be able to make around 300 shots a day during the first three month (small place!)
-A machine with it's own reservoir would be better
-No idea about the amps, probably 15 but we have a good electrician (if that of any help)
-The budget for the machine would be around 6,500 EURO, we're also trying to get a used one (like in coffee fairs and congresses, there are some good deals!)
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Posted Thu Sep 19, 2013, 1:01pm
Subject: Re: Best machine for specialty (or third wave) coffee!
 

I'm not really sure what you mean by third wave brewing methods, but I think the La Marzocco Linea might be worth investigating.  That thing is a work horse and is in a lot of specialty shops here in the US.  And I think it may work within your budget, but check with distributors to see whst sort of deal they will get you.
Also, I wouldn't think you would want a machine with a reservoir unless you were doing done sort of portable shop, but that is just my opinion.
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Posted Thu Sep 19, 2013, 1:23pm
Subject: Re: Best machine for specialty (or third wave) coffee!
 

The flawed premise to your question is that there is ONE "best machine."  There isn't.  Whatever machine you get WILL need servicing, so find out who reliably services espresso machines in your area of Berlin, and what type of machines they service . . . go from there.

 
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Posted Thu Sep 19, 2013, 7:59pm
Subject: Re: Best machine for specialty (or third wave) coffee!
 

I agree Jason makes a great point about service.

The La Marzocco products are in every cafe here in the SF Bay Area, the Cupertino Whole Foods 2 group is probably a linea, they're just everywhere.  So either they're pretty good or LM have great salesguys :)  Just to be clear just because they are everywhere doesn't mean they are considered the best, you have literally tens of excellent choices.

For grinders, Mazzer and Compaq may still be common brands, e.g. Mazzer Robur.  At least it's a starting place.
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Posted Thu Sep 19, 2013, 8:55pm
Subject: Re: Best machine for specialty (or third wave) coffee!
 

Guys, as he wants a tanked machine, would a GS3 be rugged enough for the OP's use pattern?

Also, Seems like a lot of Euro cafes are getting into 2 group levers. IZZO makes one that would easily fall into his price range. However, like MOST commercial machines, it needs to be plumbed.
Not sure why Tomate needs tanked?

 
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 3:24am
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I have a humble recommendation. I've been delighted with my ECM Technika IV since I got it a few months ago, and I've noticed that ECM Germany makes a two-group version of my machine. It can be switched from tank to plumbed, so you can have whichever you prefer. It is manufactured in Heidelberg, so you should have a lot of good local support. It sports E61 groups, is very easy to use, and takes up relatively little space. Seems to me a German machine would be at home in a German cafe. Vielen Gluck!
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 4:16am
Subject: Re: Best machine for specialty (or third wave) coffee!
 

Tomate Said:

-A machine with it's own reservoir would be better

Posted September 19, 2013 link

With 300 coffees a day? No way! Even 30 shots done on Promac Club with reservoir (current backup machine in caffee where I work) are PITA because of all the refilling of the bloody beast. Forget it at all. Comercial caffee = plumbed in.
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 5:27am
Subject: Re: Best machine for specialty (or third wave) coffee!
 

Isn't 3rd wave related to more labour intensive, old school delivery systems, usually siphon or pour over?
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Posted Fri Sep 20, 2013, 6:31am
Subject: Re: Best machine for specialty (or third wave) coffee!
 

Happiest Said:

Isn't 3rd wave related to more labour intensive, old school delivery systems, usually siphon or pour over?

Posted September 20, 2013 link

No.

 
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