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Posted Sat Sep 21, 2013, 5:36pm
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]]]]I am trying to install this machine. Hooked up the water, turned it on, it got hot but no pump sound. Do you see a pump? Or do you see where I would install a pump? No lines seem disconnected. Really looking forward to your responses.
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Posted Sun Sep 22, 2013, 1:16am
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Looks like a La Pavoni Pub, which, if I recall correctly, has an external pump and motor. If it didn't come with the machine, you'll have to purchase a new set, which run about $100-200.
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Posted Sun Sep 22, 2013, 1:22am
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Ok. But where would I attach it? There does not seem to be a place to attach it.  No disconnected lines. I thought that maybe the pump was what is shown in pic 3.
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Posted Sun Sep 22, 2013, 3:16am
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jbenny Said:

Ok. But where would I attach it? There does not seem to be a place to attach it.  No disconnected lines. I thought that maybe the pump was what is shown in pic 3.

Posted September 22, 2013 link

Pic 3 is your flow controller. See http://www.coffeeparts.com.au/ecm/620405 . If you've already hooked water up to the machine, THAT'S where the braided SS hose from the pump attaches. You should also have 3 spare wires from the control box (active, neutral and earth) which attach to the pump.

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Posted Sun Sep 22, 2013, 9:29am
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Ok so the pump attaches to the braides hose, that means it has to overcome the filler valve?  What if this was close to the empty level, would the pump run until it fills the boiler first?
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Posted Sun Sep 22, 2013, 1:53pm
Subject: Re: Where is the pump
 

Agreed pic 3 is the flow meter. The pump hooks in before the meter. The pump puts pressure to the whole system. The proper valves open and close to send water where it is needed, be it to fill the boiler or to brew coffee or to the hot water tap. In a lot of machines, before the meter is an expansion valve and a check valve to prevent water from backing up through the pump.

When brewing, the 3 way valve opens to let water to the brew group. To fill the boiler, that valve opens, the pump  runs the same regardless of the final destination of the water. If there is no restance to flow, the pressure is not high but the addition of resistance will cause the pump to build pressure. The closed valves keep the pressure from where it is not wanted, like the boiler.

That machine should have a rotary pump, a vibe pump may be used I guess but a new rotary pump and motor will be at the high end or more of the mentioned price range of $100 to $200.

Also, as said, there should be a set of wires to supply power to the pump. The machines control circuit will turn on/off the power to the pump.

If the boiler is low at power on, the fill valve will open and the system will turn the pump on, it will run until the boiler water sensor detects the proper level then the system board will turn the pump off and close the valve to the boiler. City water connects to the inlet side of the pump, the pump connects to the check valve then the OPV or expansion valve then to the floe meter.

Can you contact the seller to see if he has the pump?

 
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Posted Tue Sep 24, 2013, 7:54pm
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Thank you for the responses. I can see now how the incoming water is directed. As for the wiring, I will have to take it in to have the pump insralled. I have a pump, just am not able to figure out how the  wiring goes.  Thank you all for your help.
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