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Posted Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:28am
Subject: Would you mind helping me identify and restore this machine?
 

]]I'm terribly sorry if I posted this in the wrong place.

My wife and I recently bought a small cafe, near Nashville, TN. We have a 2 single group machines in service. We also have a single that is not in service. It is branded as a Gensaco. I finally found that it is a rebadged Bezzera. But, I have no idea what model. Does anyone know?

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Cutting to the chase, the issue with this unit is with the controller. It will pour a shot. Albeit a poor one. The pump never kicks on. I tested the voltage to the pump and found none. Tracing it back to the black box, i found this...

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If anyone has any information about this machine, feel free to post. I would love to get this machine back in working order.

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Posted Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:36am
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Posted Thu Oct 17, 2013, 10:40am
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These might give you a start:
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http://www.gastrobawax.cz/katalogy-pdf/Gicar-dily.pdf
http://www.espresso-restorations.com/LMcontrolunits.html

It looks like the fuse took a hit, and component immediately below it as well, but for the cause...???

 
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Posted Thu Oct 17, 2013, 11:27pm
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Thanks for the reply!

I have the same question. I'd hate to throw a new board in there, only to fry it. But,the cause is going to take some more digging.

When I took the sides off of it, I noticed that the pump, motor, and capacitor looked oddly new in relation to the rest of the plumbing. I think the previous owner may have tried to repair the unit with the shotgun approach. Just replacing random parts.

Unfortunately, I didn't have Much time to dig this afternoon.

One thing I did notice though is that the unit seems to be plugged into a 240v outlet (I could very well be wrong about this.). But, all of the internal components are marked as 110v/115v. Although I don't think this is the issue. If it were as simple as that, it probably would have taken out more than just the fuse and some small components.

One other question that I have is about the board itself. I have found the Gicar DOS.3d5 boards in 2 and 3 group configurations. But, not in a single. Could I use one of these for my machine? On the surface, All I can see that is different is a pin header that I would have to leave open.
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Posted Fri Oct 18, 2013, 6:57am
Subject: Re: Would you mind helping me identify and restore this machine?
 

If your wiring is per the electrical code, a 220 v outlet will be differently shaped and only a 220 v plug will fit into it. A 4 wire outlet can provide both 220 and 120 v so the machine can use the 220 for the heater where it is less expensive to operate that way and 110 for the pump and electronics etc.

Depending on how it is wired a 3 wire outlet can also provide both voltages but the machine will need to be grounded seperately.

You will need to ask the question about the Gicar box to the people selling the box to be sure. On first thought, I am inclined to agree with your understanding of the situation but I am not able to say one way or the other.

 
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