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rgalang
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 2:57pm
Subject: My Rancilio Silvia is overheating. Need some help!
 

I've been reading the forums this past week trying to solve my problem(s).

I have a 2005 Rancilio Silvia with a MLG Pid Kit installed.

- Just recently, I tripped the red button for one reason or another. I was able to reset it.
- Then it stopped heating altogether. So upon research, I opted to purchase the thermostats for both water and steamer. Done!
- Heat started working again, but the temperature just keeps rising and it's not stopping like it used to at the set PID temperature.

As I was testing the water and steam, I noticed a very milky looking water. Even after many flushes. Beyond the decalcifying and cleaning what could be the reason the temperature isn't getting regulated like before? I'm on the cusp of disassembling everything and doing a thorough cleaning. But if there's any obvious piece I'm missing I'd love your input!

Thanks in advance!
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 3:02pm
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sounds like a bad heating element (based on reading the replies to numerous similar posts over the past couple of years)

 
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 4:27pm
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From what I've read a bad heating element will not produce heat? I may be wrong. My problem is that the heat is not stopping. I'm hoping it's some wiring and not a $150 fix.
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 4:29pm
Subject: Re: My Rancilio Silvia is overheating. Need some help!
 

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the milky water is not a good thing. Your heating element is gone.  This requires 1/2 of the boiler to be replaced.

Disconnect the wires from the heater and check the resistance from one of the leads to the case. It should be hundreds if not thousands of meg-ohms. If you can measure any conductivity your heater is gone. It is a Calrod heater. The heating wire is surrounded with some ceramic stuff inside a metal tube. If the tube is breached it is over for the heater.

I'm guessing that the leakage current from the failed heater took out your SSR.

After replacing the heater (1/2 boiler) check out the thermostats and SSR before using the machine. You should not need a brew thermostat with PID as the PID replaces it.

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rgalang Said:

I've been reading the forums this past week trying to solve my problem(s).

I have a 2005 Rancilio Silvia with a MLG Pid Kit installed.

- Just recently, I tripped the red button for one reason or another. I was able to reset it.
- Then it stopped heating altogether. So upon research, I opted to purchase the thermostats for both water and steamer. Done!
- Heat started working again, but the temperature just keeps rising and it's not stopping like it used to at the set PID temperature.

As I was testing the water and steam, I noticed a very milky looking water. Even after many flushes. Beyond the decalcifying and cleaning what could be the reason the temperature isn't getting regulated like before? I'm on the cusp of disassembling everything and doing a thorough cleaning. But if there's any obvious piece I'm missing I'd love your input!

Thanks in advance!

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rgalang
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Posted Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:22pm
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Thanks Phil and emradguy,
You were both right. It appears that my heating element is shot. I took it apart and it was a scary mess inside. Going to plunk down for a new boiler ASAP.
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Posted Wed Dec 4, 2013, 8:06am
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glad we were able to help you.  I've also read several posts from people who've done the work, that you may only need to replace the top half of the boiler...so that may save you some money...I may be wrong on this count, but it's worth checking into.

calblacksmith did a pictorial essay (essentially) on rebuilding a Silvia some time ago, that may also have some useful information for you.

 
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Posted Tue Dec 17, 2013, 9:18am
Subject: Re: My Rancilio Silvia is overheating. Need some help!
 

Status update.

I was able to purchase a new heating element kit from Great Infusions here in Santa Cruz, CA. It was great that they had it in stock.
They did discourage the use of a PID, which confused me a little bit. However, I know nothing about the Silvia's original wiring and I've since lost the CD instructions that the PID kit came with. In other words, I couldn't reverse what I already have in place.

Before unplugging everything I took detailed photos so I have a reference of the wiring. Had very little difficulty disassembling the main parts. The new replacement heating element wasn't exactly the same as the old V1. But the kit came with a new pipe that connected the steamer. No trouble putting everything back together.

Long story short, everything worked! Including the PID which is keeping ideal temperature. Not much of a DIY guy, but with this site's support and YouTube I managed. Thanks for all the help! Saved me $1000 because I was eyeing a new machine.
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Posted Tue Dec 17, 2013, 11:32am
Subject: Re: My Rancilio Silvia is overheating. Need some help!
 

rgalang Said:

Status update.

I was able to purchase a new heating element kit from Great Infusions here in Santa Cruz, CA. It was great that they had it in stock.
They did discourage the use of a PID, which confused me a little bit. However, I know nothing about the Silvia's original wiring and I've since lost the CD instructions that the PID kit came with. In other words, I couldn't reverse what I already have in place.

Before unplugging everything I took detailed photos so I have a reference of the wiring. Had very little difficulty disassembling the main parts. The new replacement heating element wasn't exactly the same as the old V1. But the kit came with a new pipe that connected the steamer. No trouble putting everything back together.

Long story short, everything worked! Including the PID which is keeping ideal temperature. Not much of a DIY guy, but with this site's support and YouTube I managed. Thanks for all the help! Saved me $1000 because I was eyeing a new machine.

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In my mind this is what puts the Silvia at the head of the class.  Parts are readily available.  The machine is relatively easy to work on.  There is a very large knowledge base available on line.
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